Alton Towers/Ropers noise complaint rolls on
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Thekingin64
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^Exactly
As plenty of people have said, 2 people are not going to shut down Alton Towers. If they hate it in the middle of nowhere in Staffordshire, They'd definatly hate it in Orlando or similar places.
I'm lucky in this case I don't live next to AT as they do remind me of my mum with the amount she complains about non-exixtant noise pollution.
As plenty of people have said, 2 people are not going to shut down Alton Towers. If they hate it in the middle of nowhere in Staffordshire, They'd definatly hate it in Orlando or similar places.
I'm lucky in this case I don't live next to AT as they do remind me of my mum with the amount she complains about non-exixtant noise pollution.
Just going to bold something here in the vain hope that people will actually read this post.
THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF IGNORANCE OF THE SUBJECT IN THIS TOPIC
Things you need to know about this before you carry on. Anyone ignoring these facts will have their avatar replaced with a picture of a fish forever!!!
1. The Ropers have lived in the beautiful, idyllic village since 1968.
2. The Ropers have objected to every bit of planning permission so far.
3. The Ropers have been complaining about noise levels since 1980.
4. THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT!
-In the mid 1990's the Ropers had another complaint to the council about the noise overturned. They suspected foul play and had one of the officers in the council's environmental health department checked out. The officer who had overturned the complaint was found to be on the payroll of Tussauds.
The outcome of this allowed the Ropers to pursue Tussauds privately with a civil case. Basically they proved that the council could not be relied on to give them a fair judgement so they would have to go through the courts.
The civil cases have come this far because of Alton/Tussauds
5. The case will NEVER get Oblivion removed, or any other ride. They were installed legally. The case is not about ride noise.
6. The case is about general park noise, such as concerts and on park music - as well as "Egging guests on to scream".
7. The park is in the middle of incredibly quiet, beautiful Staffordshire countryside. It's not an urban centre of tourism and excitement. Background noise in the off season is nothing, well, it's pin-drop quiet.
8. Sentences start with capital letters, as does I when referring to yourself
9. The Ropers don't live in Alton Village itself, though there have been ride removals from the village side due to noise issues (Alton Mouse and Beast)
10. Alton has been found guilty of producing too much noise during the day. It was officially recorded by the judge over-seeing the case (he was round their house counting his wads of cash... Whosaidthat?). So there is absolutely, 100%, a noise issue at the Ropers house - this fact cannot be argued or debated.
So, from all of that, we can see it IS a vendetta, but they had lived in the house for 12 years before there was a problem. From a peaceful village home to being slap-bang in the middle of the UK's top tourist attraction (sorry, no, that's PBB ).
You can kind of see their point, but they were trying to turn back the tide (yes, they're a pair of Cnuts). However, the court cases are justified as there was evidence of possible foul play, a reason that the cases always failed. You can see why they have a vendetta if they feel justified that they've been wronged.
However (again), it's been 31 years of misery and massively increased property value in the area, just move the **** out? There's got to be another gorgeous village somewhere else you can go and put your miserable faces? Seriously, the cost and stress to get get so little changed is pointless. They must know the park is there forever, they will never be able to return to 1979 no matter what. Just go.
THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF IGNORANCE OF THE SUBJECT IN THIS TOPIC
Things you need to know about this before you carry on. Anyone ignoring these facts will have their avatar replaced with a picture of a fish forever!!!
1. The Ropers have lived in the beautiful, idyllic village since 1968.
2. The Ropers have objected to every bit of planning permission so far.
3. The Ropers have been complaining about noise levels since 1980.
4. THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT!
-In the mid 1990's the Ropers had another complaint to the council about the noise overturned. They suspected foul play and had one of the officers in the council's environmental health department checked out. The officer who had overturned the complaint was found to be on the payroll of Tussauds.
The outcome of this allowed the Ropers to pursue Tussauds privately with a civil case. Basically they proved that the council could not be relied on to give them a fair judgement so they would have to go through the courts.
The civil cases have come this far because of Alton/Tussauds
5. The case will NEVER get Oblivion removed, or any other ride. They were installed legally. The case is not about ride noise.
6. The case is about general park noise, such as concerts and on park music - as well as "Egging guests on to scream".
7. The park is in the middle of incredibly quiet, beautiful Staffordshire countryside. It's not an urban centre of tourism and excitement. Background noise in the off season is nothing, well, it's pin-drop quiet.
8. Sentences start with capital letters, as does I when referring to yourself
9. The Ropers don't live in Alton Village itself, though there have been ride removals from the village side due to noise issues (Alton Mouse and Beast)
10. Alton has been found guilty of producing too much noise during the day. It was officially recorded by the judge over-seeing the case (he was round their house counting his wads of cash... Whosaidthat?). So there is absolutely, 100%, a noise issue at the Ropers house - this fact cannot be argued or debated.
So, from all of that, we can see it IS a vendetta, but they had lived in the house for 12 years before there was a problem. From a peaceful village home to being slap-bang in the middle of the UK's top tourist attraction (sorry, no, that's PBB
).You can kind of see their point, but they were trying to turn back the tide (yes, they're a pair of Cnuts). However, the court cases are justified as there was evidence of possible foul play, a reason that the cases always failed. You can see why they have a vendetta if they feel justified that they've been wronged.
However (again), it's been 31 years of misery and massively increased property value in the area, just move the **** out? There's got to be another gorgeous village somewhere else you can go and put your miserable faces? Seriously, the cost and stress to get get so little changed is pointless. They must know the park is there forever, they will never be able to return to 1979 no matter what. Just go.
Inverse
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Out of interest, does anyone know which is their exact house? Earlier people said it's the nearest house to Oblivion except the B&B (and staff break room). So is it this one? http://g.co/maps/c3v7a
I highly doubt there is any problem of noise in the village at all. Firstly, the theme park is a good half a mile away from the village itself. Secondly, the only areas that are anywhere near to the village are Dark Forest and Cloud Cuckoo Land, Cloud Cuckoo Land is crossed off the list for a start, and the only noisy ride in Dark Forest is Rita, but even that lasts just a second or two. Finally, they need backing up from a lot more villagers for their claims to be taken this seriously. I don't think this case is going to get them anywhere.
Hmmmmm... I'm not sure if that falls under the rules of ignorance I posted or not as I didn't state where the Ropers lived... I did state it was general park noise though... I didn't state that ALTON TOWERS HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN GUILTY OF MAKING TOO MUCH NOISE OUTSIDE OF THE PARK. I probably should have done.
So, I'm editing my post above - please follow the edited version or you will be fished!
So, I'm editing my post above - please follow the edited version or you will be fished!
Thanks, furie.
I suppose Farley would be slightly worse as there're not so many trees between the hamlet and the park. The houses are, however, 0.3 miles away from Sonic Spinball, the nearest 'noisy ride'. Apart from this, there's Old McDonald's Farm, Towers Street, a car park, a field, a lake and a woods seperating it from the rest of the theme park. I can't really imagine the noise would be too unbearable, if even noticeable at all.
I suppose Farley would be slightly worse as there're not so many trees between the hamlet and the park. The houses are, however, 0.3 miles away from Sonic Spinball, the nearest 'noisy ride'. Apart from this, there's Old McDonald's Farm, Towers Street, a car park, a field, a lake and a woods seperating it from the rest of the theme park. I can't really imagine the noise would be too unbearable, if even noticeable at all.
Venom2053
Hyper Poster
Lmao thats hilarious.
On topic, wouldn't the best solution be to put up noise barriers around specific areas of the park? I know they've done it Island of Adventure in Orlando, to keep the noise levels down. The only problem I see with this is that it would take away from the feel of the park, not to mention the cost. But hopefully it would shut this people up about the noise.
On topic, wouldn't the best solution be to put up noise barriers around specific areas of the park? I know they've done it Island of Adventure in Orlando, to keep the noise levels down. The only problem I see with this is that it would take away from the feel of the park, not to mention the cost. But hopefully it would shut this people up about the noise.
Alton are dammed though because they can't build anything that can be seen from outside the park grounds. Anything high enough to block sound would also be visible.
The ground and lay of the land at Alton is also so massively varied, you just can't guarantee it.
Another issue is that you need to use sound absorption techniques, simple barriers don't work (and can often make things worse). Sound absorption is massively expensive, so again prohibitive.
Realistically, Alton need to remember that they cause problems and turn the volume down on the music a bit. Their own regular testing outside the park should help them keep within the limits imposed on them (or at least what would be classed as reasonable limits).
Their problem is that they just go "we're the big company, so stuff you with your silly complaint" rather than trying to compromise.
Though again, they've tried compromising before (offering £250 a night during the fireworks nights for them to go out to a hotel for a few days, etc). Essentially all bridges between them are burnt, but both sides keep adding fuel to the fire :roll:
The ground and lay of the land at Alton is also so massively varied, you just can't guarantee it.
Another issue is that you need to use sound absorption techniques, simple barriers don't work (and can often make things worse). Sound absorption is massively expensive, so again prohibitive.
Realistically, Alton need to remember that they cause problems and turn the volume down on the music a bit. Their own regular testing outside the park should help them keep within the limits imposed on them (or at least what would be classed as reasonable limits).
Their problem is that they just go "we're the big company, so stuff you with your silly complaint" rather than trying to compromise.
Though again, they've tried compromising before (offering £250 a night during the fireworks nights for them to go out to a hotel for a few days, etc). Essentially all bridges between them are burnt, but both sides keep adding fuel to the fire :roll:
Inverse
Hyper Poster
furie said:
Should have offered them a night in the Alton Towers Hotel. :wink:
Appologies for asking about the exact location of their house. It was slightly thoughtless of me, I don't wish to encourage any antisocial acts against them or get CF in trouble. I was curious to see if they were significantly closer to the park than most people in Farley, it strikes me as strange that they seem to act alone and don't have any other residents backing them up? Is the problem worse for them or are all residents of Farley equally affected?
Thekingin64
Strata Poster
Well, there's some houses pretty much right outside the park entrance. These people probably live there.
Thekingin64
Strata Poster
Similar to CW but Walibi Belguim is right on loads of Peoples back garden. The only complaing people have been doing there is about turbine.