mcandersin
Roller Poster
I would say that Kanonen (The Canon) at Liseberg is one... Even a Vekoma launchcoaster is better than it and it is too rough and sometimes it does not feel like a real Intamin Launchcoaster!
Rides that show potential to be insane but fall short?
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Pingu on drugs
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For me, it has to be Nemesis. A lot of people say how good it is, and how it's possibly the best B&M inverted coaster - but I just don't see why! It's good, but nothing more than that. I love the design and theming of it, and the way it is different to most coasters of the same type, but I would much rather have a standard B&M inverted coaster like Montu. I have not ridden Nemesis in the front yet, which could change my opinion, but for now I feel it is forceless (apart from one or two moments) and over-hyped.
Nemesis I think is the epitome of over-hyping, but also how different a coaster can run and what a rider feels when on it.
I rode it yesterday and it was bland. I don't ride it often so I get the "full effect" when I do ride. This was back row too and it was really forceless (for Nemesis). I rode it at roughly the same time of day a couple of month's ago and it was really good - not its best, but still really good.
However, Minor_Furie was sat next to me and pulling into the station he said "wow, that was actually really good". He's always been a real "Nemesis is 'meh'" guy. I've heard this said a lot. Some people who hate Nemesis when I think it's running brilliantly hate it, and when I think it's running badly they love it.
The difference is in the forces. When Nemesis is running really well it's a constant pounding of high G that never gives up (when it's running really well, say late October at about 8:30 p.m. in a light drizzle) even the stall turn is powerful.
When it's running "badly", you get to experience a more gentle "flow" and there are little bits of floater here and there and lots of dead spots where you just look at the scenery.
If your body hates the high forces, then there's a chance you may like the slightly more gentle ride a "bad run" gives. It's horses for courses on that front.
If you do love the high-g though, then those stand out rides a few of us (those of us who rate it really highly generally) have had are truly mind blowing. I completely agree that the quality of the coaster shouldn't be put down to "one wet Thursday evening in late October" though so yes it's over-hyped on those grounds, but it can still manage to be a great coaster a lot of the time.
See Joey's "Variation" topic I guess to go into it further :lol:
I rode it yesterday and it was bland. I don't ride it often so I get the "full effect" when I do ride. This was back row too and it was really forceless (for Nemesis). I rode it at roughly the same time of day a couple of month's ago and it was really good - not its best, but still really good.
However, Minor_Furie was sat next to me and pulling into the station he said "wow, that was actually really good". He's always been a real "Nemesis is 'meh'" guy. I've heard this said a lot. Some people who hate Nemesis when I think it's running brilliantly hate it, and when I think it's running badly they love it.
The difference is in the forces. When Nemesis is running really well it's a constant pounding of high G that never gives up (when it's running really well, say late October at about 8:30 p.m. in a light drizzle) even the stall turn is powerful.
When it's running "badly", you get to experience a more gentle "flow" and there are little bits of floater here and there and lots of dead spots where you just look at the scenery.
If your body hates the high forces, then there's a chance you may like the slightly more gentle ride a "bad run" gives. It's horses for courses on that front.
If you do love the high-g though, then those stand out rides a few of us (those of us who rate it really highly generally) have had are truly mind blowing. I completely agree that the quality of the coaster shouldn't be put down to "one wet Thursday evening in late October" though so yes it's over-hyped on those grounds, but it can still manage to be a great coaster a lot of the time.
See Joey's "Variation" topic I guess to go into it further :lol:
LiveForTheLaunch
CF Legend
I don't get how MF has hype though; in fact, I think it's quite the opposite. I guess if we're talking back in the day when it first opened and maybe five years after that, but today it seems like nobody particularly likes it very much.
The restraints on SkyRush are going to be changed, so why go on about them so much? The park knows that they need to be changed & have told Intamin to fix them. We all know that Intamin keeps doing this kind of thing when it comes to a new type of coaster.
Still I don't think this topic should be "Rides that show potential to be insane but fall short due to painful restraints?" or painful anything. SkyRush shows potential to be insane & is insane, Period!
I'll definitely go along with what's been said about Millennium Force, so much potential that just falls short of what could have been.
As far as Intimidator 305 - I've ridden every variation: original restraints, without trims on the lift hill & original first curve; original restraints, with trims on the lift hill & original first curve; new restraints, with trims on the lift hill & original first curve & new restraints, without trims on the lift hill & modified first curve.
The first variation was far & away the best in spite of the painful restraints, especially since the bite on the second hill (just before the station) trims was slight. However, when they moved those trims to the lift hill it might have killed the drop & the first curve through the first airtime hill, but it showed the full potential of the second half of the ride as the airtime on the second hill was much better than the first airtime hill was before or since & the rest of the ride was just fantastic. Then came the new modified cloth restraints, which got rid of any pain & made the ride even better. Finally they modified the curve at the bottom of the lift hill & moved the trims back to the second hill, which brought the coaster back to it's original first half goodness, but killed the second half of the ride again.
So to sum it up, Intimidator 305 takes the cake for me since I fully well know the full potential the coaster has to be not just insane, but perfect. All they need to do is move the trims off the second hill to return it to all it's full airtime glory & put the trims on the third hill (after the station) to make sure that the last quick transition is taken at the proper speed (which is all those trims are supposed to do).
Still I don't think this topic should be "Rides that show potential to be insane but fall short due to painful restraints?" or painful anything. SkyRush shows potential to be insane & is insane, Period!
I'll definitely go along with what's been said about Millennium Force, so much potential that just falls short of what could have been.
As far as Intimidator 305 - I've ridden every variation: original restraints, without trims on the lift hill & original first curve; original restraints, with trims on the lift hill & original first curve; new restraints, with trims on the lift hill & original first curve & new restraints, without trims on the lift hill & modified first curve.
The first variation was far & away the best in spite of the painful restraints, especially since the bite on the second hill (just before the station) trims was slight. However, when they moved those trims to the lift hill it might have killed the drop & the first curve through the first airtime hill, but it showed the full potential of the second half of the ride as the airtime on the second hill was much better than the first airtime hill was before or since & the rest of the ride was just fantastic. Then came the new modified cloth restraints, which got rid of any pain & made the ride even better. Finally they modified the curve at the bottom of the lift hill & moved the trims back to the second hill, which brought the coaster back to it's original first half goodness, but killed the second half of the ride again.
So to sum it up, Intimidator 305 takes the cake for me since I fully well know the full potential the coaster has to be not just insane, but perfect. All they need to do is move the trims off the second hill to return it to all it's full airtime glory & put the trims on the third hill (after the station) to make sure that the last quick transition is taken at the proper speed (which is all those trims are supposed to do).
Which is why it still to this day always has the first or second longest queue in the park. :razz:LiveForTheLaunch said:
The GP still heavily enjoy the ride. E.G. Constantly receiving best coaster rating by the Golden Ticket Award. The award is a sham, but still carries clout over regular park goers.
CoasterfanSWE
Roller Poster
Kanonen at Liseberg. It is very great compared to other coasters in this country, but is WAY too short.
LiveForTheLaunch
CF Legend
^ That was fast! Kinda wish it was a few weeks ago but oh well!
Mysterious Sue
Strata Poster
Mike said:
Thank **** someone feels the same. I thought I was going mad. I'm a huge GCI fan, but Knight Valley's is one of the most lacklustre examples out there. Add on to top the Chinese stapling and you get a very disappointingly ride, especially compared to the sexy looking thing alluded to in the construction photos.
I didn't think Skyrush was overrated at all. I went on it with my usual Intamin critics face and despite the painful restraints, thought it grabbed you by the balls and didn't let go till it spat you out. Much better than expected
JJLehto
Hyper Poster
ECG said:
I went over this last weekend and I did notice a difference.
I had no issues with the ride to begin with but there was certainly an improvement.
Earlier, I had some pain on ride and the soreness lasted for maybe 30 seconds.
Now there was hardly any to none at all and no after soreness.
My friend who's a bit on the big side didn't really notice much of anything either.
gopats1479
Mega Poster
IMO, the original Mr. Freeze was the letdown coaster for me: partly because it was too short, partly because I had already ridden Batman a couple times. Good for Six Flags to recognize how to make the Mr. Freeze coasters insanely awesome and way more fun than the originals.