Re: Phantasialand | Chiapas?|
Joey said:
That is not true. It never makes the Europe top 10 in attendance. Alton barely gets 2 million people.
Maybe - like Blackpool - they don't release official gate figures? So we'd never know the visitor numbers.
Although checking the visitor numbers for 2011 - they had 1,750,000 and came in 12th
Joey said:
My point is that, whilst somewhere like Appylton, or even Europa, have higher gate figures... They don't push money into theming like Phantasia. How did Phantasia afford Black Mamba whilst the best Merlin could do was Swarm?
The answer can only be that Phantasia are simply taking less profit? Or perhaps, as Phil argued in another topic, the long term investment in quality pays off, because it encourages repeat visits because the existing attraction is so good, rather than a need to rely on new ones.
Well obviously, they're doing the good long term view thing
I can't find much on Phantasialand in terms of ownership. If it's a simple company/person set up with no investors/share holders, then they could reinvest their profits much more efficiently.
They don't need to skim profits to pay dividends, or to keep a high profit/bank balance to keep shareholders happy - they also don't have shareholders to go begging to to get every single penny approved.
That's conjecture though, does anybody know the business set up and ownership details?
Joey said:
I heard once that if Disney do not build anything new, it would take 7 years for it to affect attendance. Can't remember the source for that, and whilst I think the Disney ip does most of the work, perhaps Europa, Efteling and Phantasia are evidence if the contrary.
Definitely the quality over quantity factor
All three parks give a "Disney quality experience". That's why people return (or flock there in the first place), so yeah, proof you just need quality - though I doubt they'd manage 7 years without investment :lol: And Europa, Disney quality experience? Did I really just say that [/slaps self]
I think the answer is probably what fefa has been saying, that the park is making money outside of park hours too. You have the park as your "core attraction", but make the real money with shows, hotels, dining, etc. Without the stunning park, you are just another ents provider - with the park, you're a world class destination for business and pleasure.
How central to major German cities/towns is Phantasialand? Imagine if Alton Towers, with the hotel, conference centre and area for live shows was were Thorpe is? Or on the site of old Belle Vue in Manchester? They'd make a killing outside of park hours.
