Formula 1 2009
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Toyota have pulled out of F1.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003
They bought nothing to the sport and really I dont think many people will miss them.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003
They bought nothing to the sport and really I dont think many people will miss them.
nealbie
CF Legend
Yay. Typical Marc. :lol:
"Yes, he worked for Ferrari, therefore ANYTHING that he ever did cannot be good. He is unsporting blah blah blah"
Fact of the matter is he has ALWAYS been successful as a boss. Why should running the FIA be any different. Yes his ethics are questionable and he always ****ed up the second driver in a team like Irvine, Barrichello and that French Rally driver whose career he ruined at Citreon. But he gets the job done.
That is what the FIA needs right now. Someone who take the ideas of the majority and get them done by whatever means necessary. You can't have it both ways
"Yes, he worked for Ferrari, therefore ANYTHING that he ever did cannot be good. He is unsporting blah blah blah"
Fact of the matter is he has ALWAYS been successful as a boss. Why should running the FIA be any different. Yes his ethics are questionable and he always ****ed up the second driver in a team like Irvine, Barrichello and that French Rally driver whose career he ruined at Citreon. But he gets the job done.
That is what the FIA needs right now. Someone who take the ideas of the majority and get them done by whatever means necessary. You can't have it both ways
Neal he was like that way before Ferrari, I did not like the guy even before he joined Ferrari. I used to watch sports car and saw how he was with his team, making sure only certain drivers would win.
As a boss he is good so I think he will do an ok job at the FIA, as a sportsman he is not good but in one way that might be better for the FIA.
I do not think he will favour Ferrari anyway, if he is ever seen to people will come down hard on him.
After 8 years in the sport Toyota won nothing, that is what I meant. They could never get the big drivers to drive for them and tbh they done a poor job. With the budget they had they should have won races but just always fell behind.
As a boss he is good so I think he will do an ok job at the FIA, as a sportsman he is not good but in one way that might be better for the FIA.
I do not think he will favour Ferrari anyway, if he is ever seen to people will come down hard on him.
After 8 years in the sport Toyota won nothing, that is what I meant. They could never get the big drivers to drive for them and tbh they done a poor job. With the budget they had they should have won races but just always fell behind.
nealbie
CF Legend
I did mention the bits before Ferrari
The problem with Toyota was the way that they set up shop. Their business model was wrong when it came to Formula 1. Which ultimately led to not winning.
They threw practically ALL of the budget at the car for round 1. But did little to no updates. Creating an obvious trend of being up there to start with (and rather unfortunate not to do better at times, USA 2005 springs to mind) and then would tail off as the season went on and competitors improved their cars.
But obviously they're no McLaren, so in Marc's eyes they brought nothing to the sport :roll:
The problem with Toyota was the way that they set up shop. Their business model was wrong when it came to Formula 1. Which ultimately led to not winning.
They threw practically ALL of the budget at the car for round 1. But did little to no updates. Creating an obvious trend of being up there to start with (and rather unfortunate not to do better at times, USA 2005 springs to mind) and then would tail off as the season went on and competitors improved their cars.
But obviously they're no McLaren, so in Marc's eyes they brought nothing to the sport :roll:
Its a pitty because I was always rooting for Trulli to win with them. Now and then he would produce a great result in qualifying but didn't really do much it that race. They always just seemed to be one of those mid field teams who just plodded along.
Its really going to be strange next year with all these new teams coming in and so many drivers without teams at the moment.
Its really going to be strange next year with all these new teams coming in and so many drivers without teams at the moment.
In my veiw RBR, Jordan, Brawn even Force India bring/bought more to the sport than Toyota.
Both these teams acheived more with smaller amounts of money.
I just dont see Toyota being missed, thats what I mean. If Sauber do not get a grid slot they will be missed more than Toyota.
It has nothing to do with me liking Mclaren at all btw. Toyota with their budget and factory should have won many races like people thought they would when they joined F1.
Even when Toyota made a Ferrari copy using the real Ferrari plans they could not win. They had their best year with that car btw. Before you start saying that never happened look it up online, people were arrested over it.
Both these teams acheived more with smaller amounts of money.
I just dont see Toyota being missed, thats what I mean. If Sauber do not get a grid slot they will be missed more than Toyota.
It has nothing to do with me liking Mclaren at all btw. Toyota with their budget and factory should have won many races like people thought they would when they joined F1.
Even when Toyota made a Ferrari copy using the real Ferrari plans they could not win. They had their best year with that car btw. Before you start saying that never happened look it up online, people were arrested over it.
RBR do not have the budget Toyota had over the years though.
When Toyota joined they spent silly money over the 1st few years, its only been this year that they cut back.
The biggest spenders in F1 2007 were
Ferrari
Mclaren
Toyota
BMW
Its also down to fan base. Yes Toyota had a huge following in Japan, but I dont think many other countries fans supported them. Which is why I dont think they will be greatly missed.
I have seen many great F1 teams come and go over the years. Infact only 3 teams remain from when I started watching F1.
When Toyota joined they spent silly money over the 1st few years, its only been this year that they cut back.
The biggest spenders in F1 2007 were
Ferrari
Mclaren
Toyota
BMW
Its also down to fan base. Yes Toyota had a huge following in Japan, but I dont think many other countries fans supported them. Which is why I dont think they will be greatly missed.
I have seen many great F1 teams come and go over the years. Infact only 3 teams remain from when I started watching F1.
nealbie
CF Legend
This year's Brawn had very close to the 2008 Honda Budget.
Red Bull have MASSIVE sporting investment. And technically speaking spend the most in Formula 1 with all of their development plans, driver programmes, lower level teams (Toro Rosso) etc etc.
Force India, Mallya's worth well over £1billion. Plus he has his Indian Mafia "donations" :lol:
Jordan was run by a tight little Irishman, so less than Toyota.
Red Bull have MASSIVE sporting investment. And technically speaking spend the most in Formula 1 with all of their development plans, driver programmes, lower level teams (Toro Rosso) etc etc.
Force India, Mallya's worth well over £1billion. Plus he has his Indian Mafia "donations" :lol:
Jordan was run by a tight little Irishman, so less than Toyota.
The Brawn car was built by Honda yes, but the actual budget Brawn had this year to race with was small. This is the reason Button had to pay for his own travel etc.
RBR budget is big but again last year they spent less than Toyota. Plus STR won a race
Mallya might be rich, but the teams budget is small.
Renault actually won a lot with a budget smaller than all the top teams.
Fact is Toyota have spent more than teams that have won races and have a large following.
People support Force India as they are the under dog.
Budgets for 2008 see link below.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/22/t ... get-4456m/
RBR budget is big but again last year they spent less than Toyota. Plus STR won a race
Mallya might be rich, but the teams budget is small.
Renault actually won a lot with a budget smaller than all the top teams.
Fact is Toyota have spent more than teams that have won races and have a large following.
People support Force India as they are the under dog.
Budgets for 2008 see link below.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/22/t ... get-4456m/
nealbie
CF Legend
For the 3rd year in a row, Schumacher has won the Nations Cup for Germany in the Race of Champions.
Now for the "Champion of Champions" RoC competition
Schumacher vs Ekstrom in the Final
But the rally driver wins. Button and Vettel both lost in the Semis. I love the RoC it's such a fair way of putting ace drivers against each other. Although it is slightly biased towards rally drivers. But still love it. Well done Ekstrom 3rd time he's won now :lol:
Now for the "Champion of Champions" RoC competition
Schumacher vs Ekstrom in the Final
But the rally driver wins. Button and Vettel both lost in the Semis. I love the RoC it's such a fair way of putting ace drivers against each other. Although it is slightly biased towards rally drivers. But still love it. Well done Ekstrom 3rd time he's won now :lol:
The managing director of Renault has now come out and said the 2010 season in not in doubt plus they already have Robert Kubica signed up for 2010.
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=20938
I also see that Ferrari have come out and said that the FIA are pushing all the teams out. Bet they can wait for Jean Todd to take over.
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=20938
I also see that Ferrari have come out and said that the FIA are pushing all the teams out. Bet they can wait for Jean Todd to take over.
What people have worked out for Toyota is even if they have to pay the fine it is still less than racing.
I read the thing what Ferrari have said, and I could not work out what they were getting at tbh. To me it looked like they were saying they have replaced Max with another Max and its like a book where you dont find out who is really running it until the end.
I just could not work out what they were saying tbh.
This is the one I read.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 344166.stm
The Renault story is also confussing. There are like 3 versions at the moment. One saying they are in for 2010 only, another they are selling the team and will be engine suppliers, and another saying they are stopping 100%. So shall wait for that one.
Force India might take action against Lotus for using their old car design, this is against the new rules. If you worked on a car before and leave that team you can not use the design for a new team. Mike G left Force India and now works for Lotus.
I read the thing what Ferrari have said, and I could not work out what they were getting at tbh. To me it looked like they were saying they have replaced Max with another Max and its like a book where you dont find out who is really running it until the end.
I just could not work out what they were saying tbh.
This is the one I read.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 344166.stm
The Renault story is also confussing. There are like 3 versions at the moment. One saying they are in for 2010 only, another they are selling the team and will be engine suppliers, and another saying they are stopping 100%. So shall wait for that one.
Force India might take action against Lotus for using their old car design, this is against the new rules. If you worked on a car before and leave that team you can not use the design for a new team. Mike G left Force India and now works for Lotus.