Canada's Wonderland |"Leviathan"| B&M HyperGiga
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Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
If anyone was going to build a decent chain lift up to +300ft I would put my money on B&M. Even though they have only ever done chain lifts they have worked at perfecting almost every part of it. And that includes the speed of them.
If anyone was going to build a decent chain lift up to +300ft I would put my money on B&M. Even though they have only ever done chain lifts they have worked at perfecting almost every part of it. And that includes the speed of them.
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
I know it's what CW is calling it (I assume because that's what B&M are calling it), but I think we need to be careful to state that it's not a traditional barrel roll "inversion". Rather it's an over banked turn (or something, I don't really know exactly what the element is) in this case
Venom2053 said:
I know it's what CW is calling it (I assume because that's what B&M are calling it), but I think we need to be careful to state that it's not a traditional barrel roll "inversion". Rather it's an over banked turn (or something, I don't really know exactly what the element is) in this case
reddude333
Giga Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
Yes, and as I was saying before about over-exaggerating and over-explaining things, I suspect the term "barrel roll" is used here to add to hype. Half of the "elements" that CW is claiming Leviathan will have are simply segments of the track that if any other coaster included in their list of elements it would result in a half page list of random track contours.
Yes, and as I was saying before about over-exaggerating and over-explaining things, I suspect the term "barrel roll" is used here to add to hype. Half of the "elements" that CW is claiming Leviathan will have are simply segments of the track that if any other coaster included in their list of elements it would result in a half page list of random track contours.
Lofty
CF Legend
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
Um, isn't that why ANY PR and Concept drawings is done for any coaster?
This is clear that's why they're naming these elements, so people talk about them when it's opening etc. Also, it's so they can actually make the coaster look bigger (in terms of what happens to you, as the rider) than what it actually is. In all honesty, as Furie posted, it is actually just an Overbanked Turn, that's it, but cleverly marketing it as something else will actually make it seem more exciting for the other Non-Enthusiast Community.
reddude333 said:
Um, isn't that why ANY PR and Concept drawings is done for any coaster?
This is clear that's why they're naming these elements, so people talk about them when it's opening etc. Also, it's so they can actually make the coaster look bigger (in terms of what happens to you, as the rider) than what it actually is. In all honesty, as Furie posted, it is actually just an Overbanked Turn, that's it, but cleverly marketing it as something else will actually make it seem more exciting for the other Non-Enthusiast Community.
Venom2053
Hyper Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
Yea agreed, its more like a Overbanked turn than a barrel roll. Though thats what they call the turn on Behemoth as well, and it is much sharper and returns parallel to where it enters. On Leviathan its more of a high banked turn.
Yea agreed, its more like a Overbanked turn than a barrel roll. Though thats what they call the turn on Behemoth as well, and it is much sharper and returns parallel to where it enters. On Leviathan its more of a high banked turn.
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
It's more like a small Eastern European laundry company than it is a barrel roll as well.
There is no "oh it's a bit like this" about this, it IS an overbanked turn, that they've named incorrectly out of either stupidity or the desire to make it seem better than it is. Behemoth's is a turnaround. Overbanked turns don't HAVE to go 180degrees to be overbanked turns.
It's more like a small Eastern European laundry company than it is a barrel roll as well.
There is no "oh it's a bit like this" about this, it IS an overbanked turn, that they've named incorrectly out of either stupidity or the desire to make it seem better than it is. Behemoth's is a turnaround. Overbanked turns don't HAVE to go 180degrees to be overbanked turns.
D1993
Hyper Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
The awesome thing about Leviathan's first huge overbank (barrel roll whatever), is that its not that high in relation to the drop. So the train will drop from 300 feet and hit over 90 mph, then go into a 160 foot overbank really fast - kinda like Millennium force I guess.
Its going to be awesome, whatever theyre calling it.
The awesome thing about Leviathan's first huge overbank (barrel roll whatever), is that its not that high in relation to the drop. So the train will drop from 300 feet and hit over 90 mph, then go into a 160 foot overbank really fast - kinda like Millennium force I guess.
Its going to be awesome, whatever theyre calling it.
reddude333
Giga Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
And hopefully we'll feel some significant lateral Gs (even if it is overbanked)...vertical Gs work too
And hopefully we'll feel some significant lateral Gs (even if it is overbanked)...vertical Gs work too
Crazycoaster
Giga Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
^ Well of course there won't be any lateral G's.. This is a B&M coaster we're talking about here.
^ Well of course there won't be any lateral G's.. This is a B&M coaster we're talking about here.
reddude333
Giga Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
Haha, but what about all those "high-speed turns" lol. I can always hope...
Haha, but what about all those "high-speed turns" lol. I can always hope...
Crazycoaster
Giga Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
Yeah, the ride has a bunch of high speed turns.. but then it also has a thing called banking too
I'm pretty sure B&M do everything in their power to minimise even the thought of lats on their coasters.
Yeah, the ride has a bunch of high speed turns.. but then it also has a thing called banking too
I'm pretty sure B&M do everything in their power to minimise even the thought of lats on their coasters.
D1993
Hyper Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
I never really enjoy lateral forces that much.
I mean they are fun every now and then, but the other forces are much better.
I wont not enjoy a roller coaster because its got lots of lateral forces, but its not my favorite sort of ride.
Basically, Leviathan't not going to have much, but im sure you will get plenty of other good forces!!
I never really enjoy lateral forces that much.
I mean they are fun every now and then, but the other forces are much better.
I wont not enjoy a roller coaster because its got lots of lateral forces, but its not my favorite sort of ride.
Basically, Leviathan't not going to have much, but im sure you will get plenty of other good forces!!
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
I like the ones where I go "Wheee!" :--D
Really looking forward to this how this coaster pans out. Hopefully if other parks decide to have B&M Gigas built, they will get rid of that stupid, stupid stupid brake run! I305 doesn't have reduction brakes that long, and it has twice the length of train to stop! Unless, of course, that this ends up with 9 trains or something, in which case I'll eat both my words and my mattress.
D1993 said:
I like the ones where I go "Wheee!" :--D
Really looking forward to this how this coaster pans out. Hopefully if other parks decide to have B&M Gigas built, they will get rid of that stupid, stupid stupid brake run! I305 doesn't have reduction brakes that long, and it has twice the length of train to stop! Unless, of course, that this ends up with 9 trains or something, in which case I'll eat both my words and my mattress.
Venom2053
Hyper Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
It'll have to be fast at loading its breaking Canadian records. Thats not saying much but Wonderland gets a massive amount of visitors each summer and B&M and CW needed to make sure it would support itself. Behemoth also runs 3 trains and its line is no more than 45 minutes long every time i've ridden it (other than opening day).
It'll have to be fast at loading its breaking Canadian records. Thats not saying much but Wonderland gets a massive amount of visitors each summer and B&M and CW needed to make sure it would support itself. Behemoth also runs 3 trains and its line is no more than 45 minutes long every time i've ridden it (other than opening day).
D1993
Hyper Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
^ But think about it, with at least 45 minutes waits with 3 train operation thats a pretty dam long line.
Every time I go to SFGA I never have to wait longer than 20 minutes. The line is always fairly long, but because of the 3 train operation, capacity is absolutely fantastic.
Anyways, basically I'm saying that 2 train operation isnt an option for this park and 3 is neccessary, hence the longer sort of brake run. Usually, some of the B&M Hypers trains can have 9 cars (like Nitro), but Leviathan will have 8.
Keep in mind these are still fairly long trains, and definetly not 'half' of the length of Behemoth's.
^ But think about it, with at least 45 minutes waits with 3 train operation thats a pretty dam long line.
Every time I go to SFGA I never have to wait longer than 20 minutes. The line is always fairly long, but because of the 3 train operation, capacity is absolutely fantastic.
Anyways, basically I'm saying that 2 train operation isnt an option for this park and 3 is neccessary, hence the longer sort of brake run. Usually, some of the B&M Hypers trains can have 9 cars (like Nitro), but Leviathan will have 8.
Keep in mind these are still fairly long trains, and definetly not 'half' of the length of Behemoth's.
reddude333
Giga Poster
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
Well unless there is a major influx of crowds due to Leviathan, I think that the wait times for both B&Ms should decrease significantly once the season gets going and some of the initial hype dies down (i.e.: not opening day/week)
Well unless there is a major influx of crowds due to Leviathan, I think that the wait times for both B&Ms should decrease significantly once the season gets going and some of the initial hype dies down (i.e.: not opening day/week)
Re: Leviathan - B&M giga coaster for Canada's Wonderland
^The lines likely won't be as ridiculous once the season is further in and the hype dies down, but Canada's Wonderland gets pretty busy in the summer months and the lines for both Leviathan and Behemoth will likely be a fair wait.
^The lines likely won't be as ridiculous once the season is further in and the hype dies down, but Canada's Wonderland gets pretty busy in the summer months and the lines for both Leviathan and Behemoth will likely be a fair wait.