Butterflys Are Not Roller Coasters

[Nemesis Inferno]

It's that sort of inconsistancy that causes these issues...

Especially since they're all on C-C

 

[10WaTT]

I don't get this whole "if it's on CC, I'll count it" - It's just someone elses opinion.

So you don't get it and you understand it's someone else's opinion, so, you do get it?

The reason I count what is on there is because, to me it's all fun, I don't want to take counting too seriously and if some other person is doing all the hard work putting the site together, I'm gonna tick the **** out of them boxes :-D

 

[Ben]

My mistake, I was thinking for a second it was a Kumbak, but that's Efteling's.
It isn't a normal supersplash though. RCDB used to list it (unlike the other supersplashes) but then pulled it too.

http://rcdb.com/r.htm?ot=2&ml=11876

RCDB lists the Supersplashes though?

Apart from, as far as I know, Plopsa's. No idea why they took it off though and not the others.

 

[Gavin]

^ The others all have a coaster section - admittedly brief - before the drop. The one at Plopsa leaves the lift and hits the drop right away.

 

[TilenB]

^^ They probably list them because they have a dip in the middle of the course, before the drop, whereas Plopsa's and also Cinecitta's only have a small dip before the splashdown...
I don't understand why do they still keep those Indian water coasters in, though...

 

[Ben]

^Yeah, but it still has the hill after the drop, so there's definitely still coaster section:

If it just hit the water after the drop I'd get it, but it does just as much coasting as Tusenfryd's or SeaWorld's.

Oh yeah, the Italian one should be there too.

 

[mouse]

I've been very bored, so I went back through this topic and collected all the opinions of what makes a coaster.
I've turned these into questions and organised them into a kind of flow chart thing:

It seems to work, note that much of it depends on what looks and 'feels' like a coaster.
Let me know if there's any mistakes or inconsistencies, or if its just a load of ****.

 

[Jordanovichy]

That is actually amazing <3 I love it

 

[Mysterious Sue]

Haha. I love it. Maybe it'll end up like furie's inversion diagram and keep being pulled out.

 

[nadroJ]

OMG amazing! You need a big red line from the first box to not a cred but apart from that YES! And it totally works to justify my dubious creds as well so I love it <3

 

[Mysterious Sue]

^Yeah, but it still has the hill after the drop, so there's definitely still coaster section:

If it just hit the water after the drop I'd get it, but it does just as much coasting as Tusenfryd's or SeaWorld's.

This. If anything, the section after the drop on Plopsa's is more 'coastery' than the section before on the others.

 

[Gavin]

Don't Mack's all have that hump at the bottom of the drop? Can't think offhand.

RCDB include Golden Horse's "water coasters" which don't even run on rails, but have a slight dip and rise before hitting the drop which doesn't have the hump at the bottom.

Seems like a strange way to categorise them really.

I count Plopsa's anyway. I'm not going to remove it from my count just because RCDB removed it.

 

[mouse]

OMG amazing! You need a big red line from the first box to not a cred but apart from that YES! And it totally works to justify my dubious creds as well so I love it <3

Ah yes, thought I must've made a mistake somewhere. Edited the original post .

 

[davidm]

Don't Mack's all have that hump at the bottom of the drop?

Seaworld SanAntonio's one doesn't have the "hump" ; the drop goes straight into the splashdown.

 

[nadroJ]

^But it has the drop between the two turntables.

 

[Gavin]

^ Yeah, that seems to be RCDB's requirement for listing them rather than the hump at the bottom.

It kind of makes sense since if it's only the hump that qualifies them, you'd be looking at some log flumes as coasters.

 

[Mysterious Sue]

But log flumes don't have track!
It can't just have a hump, otherwise roads bridges would be creds!

 

[Gavin]

I'm not suggesting for a second that log flumes should be counted as coasters, just trying to work out RCDB's methods.

They classify Golden Horse's water coasters - which run in a trough, not on a track, but have a downhill/uphill section - but don't include a tracked ride with a hump but without the uphill/downhill bit before the drop.

 

[Ben]

Yeah, that's the only reasoning I can think of as well.

It doesn't stack up for me, and I will count it still, but, that's what RCDB seem to have adopted.

To me, that comes down to the "feel". The Mack SuperSplashes look, feel and are presented as Water Coasters, the Log Flumes are presented as just that, Flumes.

I can see the argument that something like Dudley Do Right which has both the inside down-up section and the hump (ie, more than any of the SuperSplashes) should be, but, to me, it's meant as a Log Flume, not a coaster?

I've removed too much from my count already this year, I'm not taking another hit ha.

 

[Martyn B]

Never thought the day would come when Ben starts taking his CC seriously.... :lol:

On another note, why the hell isn't that Zeus trolley ride at IoA classed as a coaster?