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Support UK Theme Parks this year...

Oh, right! I mean, it's a bit of a strange crowd to be sure... we were there on a summer weekday and didn't see any trouble. I heard things can get a bit interesting in Ingoldmells after dark though.
Yes, when I was working there, in the height of summer, when the park was open until 10pm, the place was crawling with all sorts of shady characters. I was staying in Addlethorpe at the time, and walking home, along Sea Lane outside the park, was a bit like walking down the strip in Playa Del Las Americas. You couldn't get more than 25 feet before being stopped and offered some kind of mind altering goodies. Obviously it wasn't paying park customers doing these things, just local scumbags looking to profit from the park's crowds. I don't know if it's changed much at night, but most UK towns seem to have gotten worse in this respect since 2004/05, so I can't see it being much better. Pick pockets were a massive issue too, even in the day. Cara had her bag stolen from the buggy (I know, rookie error.) Again though, these won't be paying park customers.

It's really not the park's fault, and there's not a lot they can do about it, given the 'open doors' way that they operate. The fact that they have the market means they're unlikely to solve the issue, the same way Blackpool did, with gated entry. I reiterate though, on my visits since the Mellors took over, I've been amazed by how much nicer the actual park feels, and how well it seems to be run these days. I can't say enough positive things on how they've turned it around, we visited the year before they took over, and it was desolate, the difference now is incredible. Just have your wits about you, especially in the market area, or surrounding streets.

Edit to add: I guess the way to approach Fanny Island, is to look at it as a street fair. Great fun, and definitely a must do, but they can also attract the wrong crowd, only there for other reasons, so have your wits about you.
 
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Just popping in to offer a friendly, but contrarian, point of view on this.

In a cost of living crisis, I say don't waste your hard earned money on:
- lacklustre UK regional parks
- overpriced UK parks that don't cater to thrill seekers (unless milder rides are what you're looking for)
- UK parks that don't have decent ride hardware

Theme parks aren't charities, we don't need to reward them for their lack of investment.

In 2025, I will be prioritising spending money on visiting (mostly overseas) parks that will give me the best experiences.

Perhaps it helps not being much of a credit hunter, but I would much rather save my money to revisit a brilliant park like Walibi Belgium than donate to somewhere dilapidated like Fantasy Island.

I appreciate the generous sentiment of the original post, but it's not our responsibility to prevent outdated, overpriced UK parks that are under invested from closure. Spend your hard earned money on what will give you the best experience, I say!
 
Just popping in to offer a friendly, but contrarian, point of view on this.

In a cost of living crisis, I say don't waste your hard earned money on:
- lacklustre UK regional parks
- overpriced UK parks that don't cater to thrill seekers (unless milder rides are what you're looking for)
- UK parks that don't have decent ride hardware

Theme parks aren't charities, we don't need to reward them for their lack of investment.

In 2025, I will be prioritising spending money on visiting (mostly overseas) parks that will give me the best experiences.

Perhaps it helps not being much of a credit hunter, but I would much rather save my money to revisit a brilliant park like Walibi Belgium than donate to somewhere dilapidated like Fantasy Island.

I appreciate the generous sentiment of the original post, but it's not our responsibility to prevent outdated, overpriced UK parks that are under invested from closure. Spend your hard earned money on what will give you the best experience, I say!
Because an even less competitive UK market will really help drive guest experience in the future?

Imagine if the same was said of bands. Musicians aren't charities, why go and support grass roots bands? Instead spend your hard earned money going to watch the high quality, polished, productions of already established bands. There are bands that play for years and years, sometimes decades before they find that spark. They wouldn't be around to find that spark if they weren't supported early on. A loose analogy, admittedly, but one I hope you can understand.

I mean, you do you... But if we only support the Merlins of the world, we can't be surprised when that's all that's left. 🤷‍♂️ (I'd only be visiting Towers and Thorpe in the UK this year, if I adopted your attitude.)

Not that I can be too critical of you, or anybody else, that takes this approach to things. You know as well as anybody, from discussions in the past, that this has more or less been my attitude to things for years and years. That's why there's so many UK parks I've never visited. So I don't really have a leg to stand on. To criticise too much would be incredibly hypocritical. 🫣

Edited to add: For the record, I'll still be visiting overseas parks this year. 🤣 🤣 🤣 (Although Walibi Belgium isn't in any plans, I went last year.)
 
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Plenty of good messages here:
  • Remember to make time and spend to support things you enjoy. If not, they may disappear.
  • The decline in quality of a product (and/or the rise in quality of another) is a good reason to change your opinions of it and/or how you invest your energy.
  • Don’t spend considerable time, nor money, on things you don’t particularly enjoy at the expense of things you do enjoy.
  • Don’t pledge loyalty towards something or someone that takes you for granted.
  • You have to ‘give’ in order to ‘get’.
^ I like that last one as it goes both ways.
 
Because an even less competitive UK market will really help drive guest experience in the future?

Imagine if the same was said of bands. Musicians aren't charities, why go and support grass roots bands? Instead spend your hard earned money going to watch the high quality, polished, productions of already established bands. There are bands that play for years and years, sometimes decades before they find that spark. They wouldn't be around to find that spark if they weren't supported early on. A loose analogy, admittedly, but one I hope you can understand.

I mean, you do you... But if we only support the Merlins of the world, we can't be surprised when that's all that's left. 🤷‍♂️ (I'd only be visiting Towers and Thorpe in the UK this year, if I adopted your attitude.)

Not that I can be too critical of you, or anybody else, that takes this approach to things. You know as well as anybody, from discussions in the past, that this has more or less been my attitude to things for years and years. That's why there's so many UK parks I've never visited. So I don't really have a leg to stand on. To criticise too much would be incredibly hypocritical. 🫣

Edited to add: For the record, I'll still be visiting overseas parks this year. 🤣 🤣 🤣 (Although Walibi Belgium isn't in any plans, I went last year.)
Imagine if people only went to the pub with the best value... All there would be is wetherspoons.

I like a Wetherspoon's, and it's a safe bet for a cheap pint, but many smaller pubs have a unique charm to them, even if some are a bit run down.

I always try and get the best bang for my buck, but sometimes spending £7 to sit in a lovely beer garden with a nice pint of much more enjoyable.

Apply that to the theme park industry however you like, I think I might of gotten a bit carried away with the metaphor.
 
Imagine if people only went to the pub with the best value... All there would be is wetherspoons.

I like a Wetherspoon's, and it's a safe bet for a cheap pint, but many smaller pubs have a unique charm to them, even if some are a bit run down.

I always try and get the best bang for my buck, but sometimes spending £7 to sit in a lovely beer garden with a nice pint of much more enjoyable.

Apply that to the theme park industry however you like, I think I might of gotten a bit carried away with the metaphor.
To be fair, it's not the first time parks have been related to pubs in here... Very similar industry to be fair.

Off topic, but we were just discussing Wetherspoons recent decision to stop selling steaks, gammon, mixed grills etc, from May 14th, with the staff. They said "won't that really hurt them" I said, "probably not... Nobody 'goes out out' specifically for a (microwave) meal at Wetherspoons. They eat there because they're drinking there, or because it's close by, cheap, convenient and fairly reliable... Those kind of guests will just choose something else off the menu."

Anyway, back on topic, kind of...

Imagine if nobody went to watch lower league or poor performing sports teams, there'd literally be no competition. Now that's an ever looser* analogy, given the local, personal and sometimes emotional ties, that some people have to their team... But it's a valid analogy nonetheless.

* Is that a word? Looks wrong,
 
I agree with Serena, we're consumers, not patrons.

I don't like the way the Merlin parks or BPB or Pleasurewood Hills (my local park) have been operating and the decisions they've made, so I won't give them my money because I don't think it's worth it. That's on them, not me.

We will be going to Efteling, Walibi Holland, Toverland, the Florida Parks, and USS this year (and have already been to USJ) because we thought they were worth it, so we're happy to give them our money.

I think the idea that people will keep going to Alton Towers whatever they do, because of nostalgia or routine is probably what has allowed Merlin to keep getting away with crap decisions like the terrible food, the fairground games (I really hate that stupid golf thing on the lake) and terrible operations and hours.
 
I think the idea that people will keep going to Alton Towers whatever they do, because of nostalgia or routine is probably what has allowed Merlin to keep getting away with crap decisions like the terrible food, the fairground games (I really hate that stupid golf thing on the lake) and terrible operations and hours.

Agree with this. Alton in particular are riding on nostalgia at the moment. I'm glad they retracked Nemmy, but im not sure whether to renew my annual pass for the return of a topspin, if they can't keep the majority of their rides open every time i visit. Ride availability is so bad ive been embarrassed when I've convinced my non coaster friends to go... they've also made it harder and harder for people without cars to visit, having stopped the shuttle bus from stoke along time ago. I'd rather take a quick flight to Europa, Energylandia or Phantasialand and know i'm going to have a great time and not just leave frustrated or have my friends feel like they wasted their hard earned money.
 
To be clear, this thread isn't about Merlin, nor is about the quality of parks in the UK per se. It was started to highlight the challenges facing parks this year, that are entirely out of their control, particularly smaller parks. Challenges sprung upon them with a few months notice. If you want to join the endless online circle jerk and Merlin bash on YET ANOTHER THREAD... By all means, feel free, but you're missing the point entirely. (Although, I do understand the deserved criticism, I really do, they've bought it upon themselves... Alton Towers specifically seems to be in a very bad place right now.)

I'm not for one minute suggesting anybody owes any park anything, you do you. And I'd be a fool to deny the fact that, many of these parks, have made the challenges ahead much tougher for themselves, by not making the right moves when the going was good.

You can't change the past though, only the future. And I personally don't want to look back with regret if we lose a load more smaller, quirkier, parks. Parks that 'could' have been the next Paultons, if not for circumstances outside of their control. If all we're left with in that future is Universal, Merlin and a just handful of others, it will be a crying shame.

I also think it's a shame for places like Drayton Manor, and Fantasy Island, who have been making huge efforts to improve, but have been hit with one international crisis after another, since new owners took over, and now have to face these latest challenges.

But yeh, you do you, not interested, or want to complain about Merlin, that's fine, you're not alone, most people seem to feel the same, and with good cause. But this thread was originally setup to rally those that feel they can, and actually want to, do more trips to support UK parks this year, particularly smaller ones. We've setup a group chat outside of here to plan little trips. Just a "I'm thinking of heading to x tomorrow if anybody wants to join" kind of thing... if anybody else does want adding, just shout up, it's open to anybody. :) (Although, apart from WMSP, it's mostly been Merlin trips so far. 🙈 🤣 )
 
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I don't think I'm missing the point, and my post wasn't just about Merlin, I just gave Alton Towers as an example because it's one we're all familiar with.

I think there's an expectation from some people that theme park enthusiasts have some responsibility or that it's a positive thing to look after smaller parks even if they offer a bad experience or bad value for money and I was disagreeing with that idea.

It's like the cinemas in Norwich, they were crap and no one went, and then they've invested in the facilities (despite being in financial trouble) and improved the experience immensely and now they're constantly busy.

As you said, a lot of the problems the parks are facing are international, and a lot of (not all) the international parks have met those problems with smart decisions and a good experience. So they're worth supporting.

I'm hoping it wasn't your intention but I thought your reply was really patronising.
 
I don't think I'm missing the point, and my post wasn't just about Merlin, I just gave Alton Towers as an example because it's one we're all familiar with.

I think there's an expectation from some people that theme park enthusiasts have some responsibility or that it's a positive thing to look after smaller parks even if they offer a bad experience or bad value for money and I was disagreeing with that idea.

It's like the cinemas in Norwich, they were crap and no one went, and then they've invested in the facilities (despite being in financial trouble) and improved the experience immensely and now they're constantly busy.

As you said, a lot of the problems the parks are facing are international, and a lot of (not all) the international parks have met those problems with smart decisions and a good experience. So they're worth supporting.

I'm hoping it wasn't your intention but I thought your reply was really patronising.
Sorry, you're right, that wasn't my intention, it wasn't even aimed at your personally, it was a swipe at the general attitude lately of slating everything Merlin (and other UK parks) do.

But Merlin in particular get a hammering...

Never mind that they've just broken the UK height record for the first time in 30 years.
Never mind that they've just rebuilt a classic, world famous, rollercoaster, to preserve it for generations.
Never mind every single one of their UK parks getting new coaster hardware in the last 2 years.
Never mind that parts of Towers are looking fresher than they have for years, with new paving, fences and the kind of general maintenance we've been asking for for years.
Never mind that they've rebuilt, reopened or refurbished no fewer than 5 different rides at Towers alone in the last 2 years, including much needed dark and flat rides that we've been asking for. Plus refurbished the skyride, and built permanent homes for scare mazes.

No, most people just want to focus on the negativity, of rides being less reliable at the beginning and end of the season, and food not being great.. Or any other nitpick they can find really. Don't get me wrong, not simping for them. They're a massive company, and there's no reason why they shouldn't be doing these things, there's no good reason why they aren't competing with the best parks in the world. (Although the economics of the last budget might hold them back now, as was the point of this thread.) But the constant whining, and bellyaching of many UK enthusiasts is getting tiresome and boring.

I've never been to a theme park and not enjoyed my day, period. I've had bad moments, situations that have annoyed me, but I've had as many of them abroad as I have here. I still feel at my happiest, the minute I walk into Towers (or any other park.) I do sometimes wonder, if people are really not enjoying their days at Theme Parks, whether it's maybe them that's getting a bit tired of the hobby, sometimes a break can help. And if they are still enjoying their days, overall, why all the constant negativity?

Edit: I've just remembered, the closest I came to not enjoying a day in a park, was ironically, Efteling. But it was 'kind of' my fault. Place was heaving with kids and families, so I think it was a holiday. Queues were massive, and rides kept breaking down, especially the one I'd gone for, Baron. it was sweltering on top, a European heat wave. I still enjoyed it overall, and it was my fault it wasn't optimal, I wouldn't have gone if I'd known it was a public holiday. (Just like it would take more than just a Top Spin to make me endure opening weekend at Alton Towers. ;) )
 
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I'm going to sit on the fence a tad here and admit that I can see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, I do agree with the sentiment of wanting to support UK parks. It's a difficult time for the industry right now for a smorgasbord of reasons, and as fans of the industry, surely we should be shooting for parks at all levels to succeed and trying our best to give them the best shot at success possible? I agree with @Nicky Borrill in saying that I'd struggle to say that I've had a day at a theme park I haven't enjoyed or found positive moments in to at least some extent. Yes, the day I only got on 3 rides at Alton, or the day I only got on 2 rides at Thorpe, or the day where everything seemed to go wrong for me in Universal Orlando were very frustrating days that I don't look upon too fondly compared to other park days, for sure, but they were still better than no park day at all, and I would still say I found positives in all of them. To link that back to the topic at hand; while some UK parks might not be at their best right now, us going and supporting them might help them along towards giving them that bit of ambition to put a bit more back in when financial circumstances get better. You also never know quite what you might be missing at a UK park you've never been to, even if it might not look that special on the face of it.

I'm also going to agree with Nicky in saying that I feel the rock bottom rhetoric surrounding Merlin in particular is overcooked at times. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fair to acknowledge that the parks have issues that need addressing, particularly in the arena of ride availability in the case of some, but they still do a lot right. With the way some people talk, you'd think the Merlin parks had devolved into third rate roadside funfairs, but I personally feel that they are still strong parks that do a lot well, even if they aren't without flaws.

On the other hand, I do understand the arguments of cost and "why go to a mediocre park when you can go to a better one for the same price?". Parks are not charities, and we are consumers, so they should work for our custom to some extent. And despite what I said above about the current difficult operating climate, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't think at least some of many UK parks' current woes were self-inflicted. Do I feel that the demise of Oakwood was self-inflicted, for example? To a significant degree, yes; they didn't invest into maintaining a good experience and keeping the product fresh, and it eventually came back to bite them. Beyond Oakwood, the lack of prosperity of many UK parks can be attributed at least in part to a lack of investment when things were, relatively speaking "better", I feel. And from most people's personal standpoint; money is limited. Logically, why would you return to a park that hasn't invested when another one is rolling out the red carpet and investing in fresh new attractions?
 
I'm going to sit on the fence a tad here and admit that I can see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, I do agree with the sentiment of wanting to support UK parks. It's a difficult time for the industry right now for a smorgasbord of reasons, and as fans of the industry, surely we should be shooting for parks at all levels to succeed and trying our best to give them the best shot at success possible? I agree with @Nicky Borrill in saying that I'd struggle to say that I've had a day at a theme park I haven't enjoyed or found positive moments in to at least some extent. Yes, the day I only got on 3 rides at Alton, or the day I only got on 2 rides at Thorpe, or the day where everything seemed to go wrong for me in Universal Orlando were very frustrating days that I don't look upon too fondly compared to other park days, for sure, but they were still better than no park day at all, and I would still say I found positives in all of them. To link that back to the topic at hand; while some UK parks might not be at their best right now, us going and supporting them might help them along towards giving them that bit of ambition to put a bit more back in when financial circumstances get better. You also never know quite what you might be missing at a UK park you've never been to, even if it might not look that special on the face of it.

I'm also going to agree with Nicky in saying that I feel the rock bottom rhetoric surrounding Merlin in particular is overcooked at times. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fair to acknowledge that the parks have issues that need addressing, particularly in the arena of ride availability in the case of some, but they still do a lot right. With the way some people talk, you'd think the Merlin parks had devolved into third rate roadside funfairs, but I personally feel that they are still strong parks that do a lot well, even if they aren't without flaws.

On the other hand, I do understand the arguments of cost and "why go to a mediocre park when you can go to a better one for the same price?". Parks are not charities, and we are consumers, so they should work for our custom to some extent. And despite what I said above about the current difficult operating climate, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't think at least some of many UK parks' current woes were self-inflicted. Do I feel that the demise of Oakwood was self-inflicted, for example? To a significant degree, yes; they didn't invest into maintaining a good experience and keeping the product fresh, and it eventually came back to bite them. Beyond Oakwood, the lack of prosperity of many UK parks can be attributed at least in part to a lack of investment when things were, relatively speaking "better", I feel. And from most people's personal standpoint; money is limited. Logically, why would you return to a park that hasn't invested when another one is rolling out the red carpet and investing in fresh new attractions?
I don't think you have to feel too bad about sitting on the fence here. I think all of those points are sensible.

I obviously agree with the first 2 paragraphs. But I also agree with the last one. I've spent my entire gooning life visiting parks with the best hardware, or parks I've never visited, to try hardware that 'might' be decent. As mentioned earlier in the thread. I can't criticise anybody else for doing that. And, for some parks, many of the issues they are now facing, with these current economic woes that are outside of their control, have absolutely been compounded by the poor decisions they made, when the going was good (or better, at least.) They have certainly had better times, in which they could have invested more into hardware, guest experience and, upkeep, but they didn't, and now there's less money to do that with. Paulton's are the perfect example of this (Ian is going to love that.) They've invested, they have a good level of equity, and I think they'll do well, (however, they're not immune!)

I think I should also make something else clear. Not to you Matt, as such, but to the thread in general. I don't think these troubles will be limited just to parks that haven't invested, nor to small parks, so it won't just affect parks that have made things worse for themselves. We won't know for a year or two obviously, as accounts are submitted so long after the fact. So this is all theoretical, and (semi) educated guesswork. But I am fully expecting last year, this year, and next year, to have been very difficult, if not loss making, for many parks. Including some of the ones we tend to think of as successful, or parks that have done fairly well up to their 22/23 accounts. I obviously don't know how their public accounts work, or how to access them, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the story is similar in Europe too, over the next few years. (Minus the effects of our own previous budget, of course.)

So by all means, if you 'only' want to support your favourite parks, then do that. Because I wouldn't be surprised if they really needed the support right now too. Everybody is working under the same economic conditions after all. Even Paultons 22/23 accounts wiped around £1.6M off their profits, as well as their equity/balance, that's not chump change, and we're yet to see if that continued in 2024. So even the best placed parks will be hoping for better times.

But I personally remain mindful, that a lack of competition has never been a breeding ground for innovation or advancement. And that I personally don't want to look back, if we lose a load of UK parks, with any regrets. That's a personal choice. Everybody else can make their own. 👍 (Some may even think 'good riddens, more guests for the other parks means more money to invest for the survivors,' I hope nobody else raises that point, as I have no answer, honestly. 🤣 That may well be the case, as long as there's still 'some' competition. 🤷‍♂️)

At least we're talking about it, that is a good thing. Even if we don't all agree entirely. :)
 
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I currently write this post whilst in a small hotel in Ludwigscahfen, a small city roughly halfway between Frankfurt and Stuttgart (at least, Google calls it a city, I'd call it a town).

I flew out yesterday and visited Holiday Park. Today I'll visit Tripsdrill, and then fly home.

Let's break down the cost of the trip:
-Flights: £80 return
-Park tickets: £65
-Car hire (inc petrol): £70
-Hotel: £30
Total: £245

Expensive, yes. But for that, I get to go to two parks I've wanted to go to for quite a while and tick of some coasters which were on the bucket list (albeit not necessarily super high up). But I've also had my first experience of driving on the German Autobahn where there's no speed limits. I visited a huge Kaufland supermarket, which is such a simple pleasure. My dinner came from a German street truck where I got half a chicken for £4. I've had a blast.

Now let's say instead of this trip, I went to Great Yarmouth, hitting up Great Yarmouth Pleasure Beach, Joyland and Pleasurewood Hills:

-Park tickets: £25-30
-Petrol (6-7hr worth of travel): £65
-Hotel: £50
Total cost: £145

So I'd be saving about £100, going to parks I've little interest in visiting, and maybe getting one or two rides done off my "it'd be cool to ride them" list. But oh wait, Pleasurewood Hills has two roller coasters not yet open. If I wait until they're open, the cost for entry goes up (good that they've reduced entry for reduced offering btw). Their opening times are minimal. Dinner will be more expensive. I don't get any new experiences. All of a sudden, the extra £100 isn't that bad.

It would have been very similar for me for Oakwood too. Except even longer driving, even less creds, and probably less fun.

Frankly put, me choosing to visit one of these smaller UK parks over spending a bit more and going abroad isn't going to save them. Nor is a couple of hundred of goons going to do the same. It's a tough time for many places, and equally, for most people too. If you want to visit a smaller UK place, especially if Oakwood's closure has put that fear they could face closure themselves, then go ahead and visit. But if not, then don't: you'll face the potential risk that the park will close, but ultimately there's nothing you could have done to save it, and if you didn't want to visit it now, it's no great loss to you.

In short: there's no obligation to visit somewhere that doesn't entice you. And for me, despite the greater expense, going abroad offers so much more for me than staying in the UK.
 
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