NEMESIS: SUB-TERRA [Alton 2012]
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Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
If it was a major investment, we'd know a lot more about it at this time of year.
It's a 2012 attraction and there's no way that they'd be able to get anything massive installed in time now. Plus, as a major attraction the hype machine would have already started rolling.
Everything points to something pretty low key in the old Dynamo area of Forbidden Valley. That's not a large space at all. I don't know how bug the 4D shows at the Eye or Tower are, but I'm thinking it's likely to be along those lines. Each Merlin attraction will get a Dungeon/Horror walk through and/or Sealife and or 4D show and/or "Eye". So after The Swarm, expect fish or 4D show at Thorpe
If it was a major investment, we'd know a lot more about it at this time of year.
It's a 2012 attraction and there's no way that they'd be able to get anything massive installed in time now. Plus, as a major attraction the hype machine would have already started rolling.
Everything points to something pretty low key in the old Dynamo area of Forbidden Valley. That's not a large space at all. I don't know how bug the 4D shows at the Eye or Tower are, but I'm thinking it's likely to be along those lines. Each Merlin attraction will get a Dungeon/Horror walk through and/or Sealife and or 4D show and/or "Eye". So after The Swarm, expect fish or 4D show at Thorpe
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
The park haven't said this will be a small investment, and actually... it won't be by any stretch of the imagination. Last years addition was scrapped, so in actuality we're looking at two years worth of small investments... So that's a medium investment. Whether that's enough to make something good into something great is another thing entirely and whether it will be invested in the right way is, again, another thing entirely.
I'm hoping for something along the quality lines of Hex. Nothing more. Alton's best attractions are the ones that embrace the budget, planning restrictions and unique environment. The attractions that aren't so good end up being poor imitations of things parks without the unique space, history, planning restrictions or budget worries do.
Anyway, I am hopeful of this. I think it's going to be cool, and at the very least it's ambitious, just perhaps not in ways people are expecting.
Do you know how much they cost? Because, whilst I don't, common sense tells me it's like 3 times the budget Merlin would invest. Not to mention things cost more in the UK. The ride vehicles alone are several million dollars each. I'm sure somewhere I read $6mill, but I'm not certain of that. That's money Merlin certainly have, but the UK market is not one you'd risk wasting that kind of money on. Dark rides are difficult to market and the GP here do not care about the art of show. The type of people who do care go to theatres, not theme parks. It would be wasted on the Alton Towers audience to install a dark ride of that quality.nadroJ said:
The park haven't said this will be a small investment, and actually... it won't be by any stretch of the imagination. Last years addition was scrapped, so in actuality we're looking at two years worth of small investments... So that's a medium investment. Whether that's enough to make something good into something great is another thing entirely and whether it will be invested in the right way is, again, another thing entirely.
I'm hoping for something along the quality lines of Hex. Nothing more. Alton's best attractions are the ones that embrace the budget, planning restrictions and unique environment. The attractions that aren't so good end up being poor imitations of things parks without the unique space, history, planning restrictions or budget worries do.
Anyway, I am hopeful of this. I think it's going to be cool, and at the very least it's ambitious, just perhaps not in ways people are expecting.
coasterdude_1
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Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
^ Spiderman cost over $100mm, yes, but Darkastle was done on a significantly lower budget, more in the region of $20-$30 million, I understand. The cost of Spiderman was mainly due to the development of the technology and the superior quality to Darkastle- that said, also Darkastle also had the benefit of almost a decade of technological development following Spiderman, which will have been the main driver behind falling prices...
Anyway, even at 20-30mm, this still seems a little unlikely for AT, however, it must be remembered that last year there were 0 new additions which will have hopefully knocked through into this year's budget- so perhaps something slightly more exciting is in the works- and if they're savvy (AT, please don't read penny-pinching...) then something pretty good could be on the way- especially if they save money using existing buildings (or tents...)
Anyway, we'll see. Although we all know SW7 is on its way, it'd be good to see that the money saved last year hasn't gone directly into the board of directors' pockets...
^ Spiderman cost over $100mm, yes, but Darkastle was done on a significantly lower budget, more in the region of $20-$30 million, I understand. The cost of Spiderman was mainly due to the development of the technology and the superior quality to Darkastle- that said, also Darkastle also had the benefit of almost a decade of technological development following Spiderman, which will have been the main driver behind falling prices...
Anyway, even at 20-30mm, this still seems a little unlikely for AT, however, it must be remembered that last year there were 0 new additions which will have hopefully knocked through into this year's budget- so perhaps something slightly more exciting is in the works- and if they're savvy (AT, please don't read penny-pinching...) then something pretty good could be on the way- especially if they save money using existing buildings (or tents...)
Anyway, we'll see. Although we all know SW7 is on its way, it'd be good to see that the money saved last year hasn't gone directly into the board of directors' pockets...
Ollie
CF Legend
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Looks like we're going another year without a new ride in the Black Hole tent. Oh btw have you heard XNWO is being removed from Thorpe this year?
If it's 6 meters underground does this mean we could finally see a small drop tower at Alton?
Looks like we're going another year without a new ride in the Black Hole tent. Oh btw have you heard XNWO is being removed from Thorpe this year?
http://www.ukparknews.co.uk/entry/cms/?p=6219&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterUK Park News said:
If it's 6 meters underground does this mean we could finally see a small drop tower at Alton?
ciallkennett
Strata Poster
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Erm...
Ollie said:
Erm...
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
No way will this be a Spiderman ride system, the building is way too small.
No way will this be a drop tower, we just have Th13teen.
Not sure what it will be, first thing that came to my mind would be a ride like what the London Dungeons just got, but can't see why they'd install one here so soon.
6 metres underground could mean nothing, most rides have to go far underground for foundations and electronics. Does it say anywhere that the 6 metres underground will be used as apart of the attraction?
The main plan can be seen HERE.
No way will this be a Spiderman ride system, the building is way too small.
No way will this be a drop tower, we just have Th13teen.
Not sure what it will be, first thing that came to my mind would be a ride like what the London Dungeons just got, but can't see why they'd install one here so soon.
6 metres underground could mean nothing, most rides have to go far underground for foundations and electronics. Does it say anywhere that the 6 metres underground will be used as apart of the attraction?
The main plan can be seen HERE.
Nemesis Inferno
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Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
^^Why would they build a Vengeance ride when they have Duel?
It's gonna be interesting, with pre and post show rooms apparently planned as well, making it much more of an experience ride than just a ride... Shame about the bloody shipping container shop though...
And indeed, hearing from rumours and sources in a few places, just because one ride exists already at the park, doesn't automatically mean that another ride can do the same thing and MORE...
^^Why would they build a Vengeance ride when they have Duel?
It's gonna be interesting, with pre and post show rooms apparently planned as well, making it much more of an experience ride than just a ride... Shame about the bloody shipping container shop though...
And indeed, hearing from rumours and sources in a few places, just because one ride exists already at the park, doesn't automatically mean that another ride can do the same thing and MORE...
ciallkennett
Strata Poster
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Maze, anybody? Just throwing that in there, although not so sure about the 6m underground potential of a maze...
Maze, anybody? Just throwing that in there, although not so sure about the 6m underground potential of a maze...
Nemesis Inferno
Strata Poster
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Why would a maze need a single rider queue?
It's a ride... It has 3 separate queuelines and a baggage area... Not a maze...
Why would a maze need a single rider queue?
It's a ride... It has 3 separate queuelines and a baggage area... Not a maze...
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Its not a maze because it clearly says RIDE.
It's fun watching you guys guess what it is.
Its not a maze because it clearly says RIDE.
It's fun watching you guys guess what it is.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
I personally think it should be kept a secret, but people over at Towers Times are leaking info left right and centre. Everyone moaned when Thirteen wasn't kept secret and advertised loudly, everyone praises how Oblivion was... and yet everyone is eager to leak info on this. Most annoying. So details about the actual ride itself will theoretically never be released. But you'll all know before long because people are leaking info. Though it's getting a bit lost in speculation.
I personally think it should be kept a secret, but people over at Towers Times are leaking info left right and centre. Everyone moaned when Thirteen wasn't kept secret and advertised loudly, everyone praises how Oblivion was... and yet everyone is eager to leak info on this. Most annoying. So details about the actual ride itself will theoretically never be released. But you'll all know before long because people are leaking info. Though it's getting a bit lost in speculation.