nemesisamazing
Roller Poster
Is it me or is there not much more worlds 1st ideas to do... 
Sw7 and other world's firsts
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It's you.
That's like saying "everything that has been invented, has been invented."
Thankfully there are people in this world with imaginations and can see beyond what already exists.
Where the next concept comes from is blank in my mind, but I'm not paid to dream these ideas up.
That's like saying "everything that has been invented, has been invented."
Thankfully there are people in this world with imaginations and can see beyond what already exists.
Where the next concept comes from is blank in my mind, but I'm not paid to dream these ideas up.
Hijacking the n00b topic
I keep looking at the new Gardaland coaster and thinking "shame it's not a 4D".
I can see why 4D is a struggle, it's a very complicated bit of technology, expensive and prone to faults.
So I started thinking... What about cars that always stay level at 90 degrees to the floor?
You could probably use a weighting mechanism to do it? I know we have the zak-spins or whatever they're called that flip the cars around, but what about a level coaster?
There are people here know a lot more about forces and the like, but imagine the willy lift? It would be like a cross between a drop tower and a coaster.
You could have vertical dropping track, but the riders on the train stay level and just "drop tower" down. What kind of forces would you get cresting parabolic hills if your level of pitch stayed flat?
Anyone know what I'm saying? Anyone any ideas on what it would be like???
I keep looking at the new Gardaland coaster and thinking "shame it's not a 4D".
I can see why 4D is a struggle, it's a very complicated bit of technology, expensive and prone to faults.
So I started thinking... What about cars that always stay level at 90 degrees to the floor?
You could probably use a weighting mechanism to do it? I know we have the zak-spins or whatever they're called that flip the cars around, but what about a level coaster?
There are people here know a lot more about forces and the like, but imagine the willy lift? It would be like a cross between a drop tower and a coaster.
You could have vertical dropping track, but the riders on the train stay level and just "drop tower" down. What kind of forces would you get cresting parabolic hills if your level of pitch stayed flat?
Anyone know what I'm saying? Anyone any ideas on what it would be like???
Yes I can see what you mean, but I think there would be to many G invloved which is why the old drop towers that had track at the end put you on your back.
If you drop with the coaster floor flat and then to goes to a flat part of track I just think there would be to much strain on the train and the riders backs and neck. I think the drop would be the only problem though. Thats if it a big coaster if it was only say 50ft and did not pick up much speed it would probably be ok.
Maybe I have misunderstood you
If you drop with the coaster floor flat and then to goes to a flat part of track I just think there would be to much strain on the train and the riders backs and neck. I think the drop would be the only problem though. Thats if it a big coaster if it was only say 50ft and did not pick up much speed it would probably be ok.
Maybe I have misunderstood you
The dizzy dropper ride is more like the zak-spin, but in essence, the way the car is always flat, yes.
Yeah, I think you're right that the forces would be hefty on a vertical drop at the bottom, but you could use trims (essentially the same brakes as a drop tower) or a drawn out curve to flat again to even out the Gs?
I'd love to draw something... Give me ten mins
marc said:Yes I can see what you mean, but I think there would be to many G invloved which is why the old drop towers that had track at the end put you on your back.
If you drop with the coaster floor flat and then to goes to a flat part of track I just think there would be to much strain on the train and the riders backs and neck. I think the drop would be the only problem though. Thats if it a big coaster if it was only say 50ft and did not pick up much speed it would probably be ok.
Maybe I have misunderstood you
Yeah, I think you're right that the forces would be hefty on a vertical drop at the bottom, but you could use trims (essentially the same brakes as a drop tower) or a drawn out curve to flat again to even out the Gs?
I'd love to draw something... Give me ten mins
Okay Marc
In this case it may make it better
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Okay, so the track is relatively "traditional". The yellow blobs are a traditional coaster train. The red triangles are the seats, and the arrows show the level the riders are at (their view if you like).
Of course, my question, as it should be is this: Is the benefit of the ride worth the effort involved in producing the technology for both the cars and design constraints for overcoming the high positive Gs?
Would the airtime be significantly different to a traditional coaster to make it worthwhile?
I honestly don't know, I don't know enough about either the engineering or physics involved to be able to answer it - but it's potentially another world's first, even if it's just an amalgamation of previous ideas
*MS Paint skills to rival Ian's
In this case it may make it better
Okay, so the track is relatively "traditional". The yellow blobs are a traditional coaster train. The red triangles are the seats, and the arrows show the level the riders are at (their view if you like).
Of course, my question, as it should be is this: Is the benefit of the ride worth the effort involved in producing the technology for both the cars and design constraints for overcoming the high positive Gs?
Would the airtime be significantly different to a traditional coaster to make it worthwhile?
I honestly don't know, I don't know enough about either the engineering or physics involved to be able to answer it - but it's potentially another world's first, even if it's just an amalgamation of previous ideas
*MS Paint skills to rival Ian's
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Anonymous
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I'm pretty sure that Senyo Kogyo or some other Japanese company have a patent for such a ride, can't find it at the moment, but I will try...
EDIT: Found it!!
It's a Hoei Sangyo creation, and they call it the Sledgehammer.
It seems like they have made a prototype of it so who know we might actually see one in the future.
Link to Homepage: http://www.hoei-sangyo.co.jp/machine/sledge_hammer.html
Link to patent: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... PN/6158354
EDIT: Found it!!
It's a Hoei Sangyo creation, and they call it the Sledgehammer.
It seems like they have made a prototype of it so who know we might actually see one in the future.
Link to Homepage: http://www.hoei-sangyo.co.jp/machine/sledge_hammer.html
Link to patent: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... PN/6158354
andrus
Giga Poster
I'm sure we will see more new concepts in the future. But for now I think the next logical step in the bussines would be to develope the wing walker train concept and apply it too all different types of rides, eg hypers and mega loopers. If B&M can make a smaller and cheaper version of S&S 4D-coaster I'm sure that'll be the next huge hit as well!nemesisamazing said:Is it me or is there not much more worlds 1st ideas to do...
nemesisamazing
Roller Poster
Furie,What an idea!!! Pretty good.Or alton towers could build a 15 Inversions ride.
TAKE THAT COLLOSSUS!
TAKE THAT COLLOSSUS!
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
I want Phil's idea to happen plz.
nemesisamazing
Roller Poster
Furie,I saw you on the news on the corkscrew last day
alexdude98
Mega Poster
How about something like this?http://img651.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img651/4580/myworldfirstidea.jpg
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Anonymous
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^^ That would easily work with a B&M flying coaster, just enter a Pretzel loop right of the lift...
alexdude98
Mega Poster
Maybe restraints like the ones on Air at Alton Towers? But remember... I thought of it (this outside loop idea) first!
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
It's just occured to me that Phil's idea is very similar to the S&S free fly, except Phil's goes up and down instead of inline twists.
I love the look of the free fly.
I love the look of the free fly.
Joey said:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's where the idea came from
The Free Fly does look awesome too. I think it's the idea of staying level really appeals to me
Oh, and outside loops on conventional coasters just can't be done. The speed you need to loop creates too much in the way of negative g-force and would kill all the riders.
It could be done using a "controlled" speed, using electric motors or something, but it couldn't be done through a normal loop procedure (speed). Well, not unless you change the seating position of the rider as you enter it (like a flyer, or X).