Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Rocky Mountain Wood

[Youngster Joey]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

^Where are the pictures??

I'd love to see other angles of the drop and the Inversion/over-banked turns

 

[Intricks]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

I believe that is for the overbank/possible inversion.

Now, from what my crap memories of german has been able to figure out from that site, the track is apparently going down this apparent 81°+ drop right into this thing.

This station is looking BOMB! Seriously, I am heading there next year.

Bonus is this: Project 2013/Outlaw.

They need some good guys for next year ;-)

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[Youngster Joey]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

^Someone posted the name would be Outlaw back on page 2. Props to them. If that's an inversion or an overbanked turn it looks fantastic. SDC now on my 2013 Radar. Wanna go Marcus?

 

[Josh73]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

Ooh, outlaw, that's sounds cool, I like this!

 

[Intricks]

Re: Silver Dollar City |

It was only said cause they trademarked the name and some other bs about another one. The theme found on the teaser page and that they are asking for good fellas (specifically a sheriff) gives the rest of the theme away

Edit:

I think this image may prove what we are looking at :3

 

[Martyn B]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

I dont think thats going to be a 360' inversion, more like a heavily over banked turn (still an inversion, just not 360').

 

[Lofty]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

It looks like a kind of Stengel Dive from the back part of the support structure. Either way, it'll be great fun.

 

[Ethan]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

Methinks this COULD be up there with El Toro...

 

[Intricks]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

Martyn, my argument is this. Look at the footers. If this were to be an overbank, we would see the heading off in that direction. We arent, the footers clearly go behind the fence. Plus, the way they are placed, the direction the track is seemingly going and how the steel beams are placed, points to a Zero-G.

Lofty, if this were a Stengal, we would see more footers in the plot of land to help pan out the forces that would happen during the exit.

Looking at the placement of those steel beams, it honestly looks like they are revolving around the riders heart, like a B&M zero-g would look.

Unfortunately, this is pure speculation given by the pictures available.

 

[Ethan]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

^ Stengel dives and overbanked turns follow a heartline too.

 

[Lofty]

Re: Silver Dollar City |

Lofty, if this were a Stengal, we would see more footers in the plot of land to help pan out the forces that would happen during the exit.

Look at the footers, as you mentioned to Martyn, it could be a very similar Stengel like the one found on Skyrush. Or, a better comparison would be a more inclined version of the "High Five" element in China. It could EASILY level out before reaching the floor.

 

[Intricks]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

^^ But they dont have a dip like the beams seem to have before doing this. It is a continuous flow of track without an offset (break?) to allow for a more fluid movement around the riders center.

^ They would be still have to be closer to help reinforce the ride so that it doesnt bend more than they would want it too. If you add in any kind of turn out as well, the clearing should be littered with footers, when it isn't.

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[billybobjoebob]

Re: Silver Dollar City |

It was only said cause they trademarked the name and some other bs about another one. The theme found on the teaser page and that they are asking for good fellas (specifically a sheriff) gives the rest of the theme away

Edit:

I think this image may prove what we are looking at :3

look at the back of this picture, and try to connect the dots as to how you are gonna enter this element! That is going to be wicked!

 

[rollermonkey]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

Here's my argument for NOT an inversion:

How do you support a wood coaster train, with wood beam supports, upside down, WITHOUT decapitating the riders when they are upside down?

If this is truly an all-topper track ride, I just can't see the structure being strong enough to hold an upside down train. Maybe Iron Horse track could do it. I don't know if a train designed for topper track (basically anything that runs on standard wood track) can also run on Iron Horse track...

Even RCCA, as horrible as they were at designing rides, didn't try to use wood supports for Son of Beast's loop.

Call me a pessimist, but I don't think it can be done. I'll be glad to be wrong, and ride an inline twist on a woodie. But it's just a gimmick. Nothing more.

El Toro beater? I don't think so.

 

[tomahawk]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

So what if it is a gimmick? Again, if this rides REMOTELY similar to NTG, it will be a number one on a lot of peoples top ten. Gimmick or not, if it works it will be epic. That said the more I see, the more I think it won't fully invert, and will probably be about 160 degree, so essentially an inversion, without doing the full rotation.

 

[Antinos]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

What difference does the train's orientation make on whether an inversion is possible? Physics says force = mass (of the train) x acceleration (gravity). If a train has a mass of 2,000 kilograms in an upright position, it's still going to have a mass of 2,000 kilograms in an upside down position.

Also, this is a zero gravity roll. The parabolic path of the heartline means the train will be essentially weightless. Take that formula I mentioned above and plug in a 0 for acceleration.

There's a lot more to it than just that, but in layman's terms, the supports would, for all intents and purposes, be holding up the track and the train traveling through the roll would have minimal effect on the structure.

They said that the inverted coaster was an impossible idea. Don't count it out.

 

[rollermonkey]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

No way, Jose. The track MUST be able to support the weight of the fully loaded train at a dead stop. It doesn't matter if it's a zero-G element (which IMO it does not look like from that angle) or if it's any other section of track. Trains can valley or stall at any point over a course. Sometimes it takes something small like it just being a little too cold, (Raging Bull 2007) sometimes it's a brake adjusted a little too tight (American Eagle 2008) sometimes it's a major mechanical failure (Demon stopped upside down in the second vertical loop in 1998. That's just three examples at one park that I happen to know about.

That whole section of twisting ledgers looks like it is descending the whole way. That would not be a true zero-G element. Again, the weight of the train must be supported adequately.

Without more pictures, it's all meaningless conjecture. I think that flickr picture was planted by the park just to spin people up.

As far as it being a gimmick, why build a half-wood, half-steel ride to have an inversion, when there are plenty of coaster builders with far more experience that could build a steel coaster with the same layout. Making the supports out of wood and pretending it's a wood coaster even though the tracks are steel, and having an inversion is a gimmick.

The gimmick designation is just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

 

[rollermonkey]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Nt6h7sBHg

A train can stop anywhere. This happened again in South America a few years ago, I just don't remember exactly where.

 

[Hyde]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

Of course the track must be able to support the train's weight at any point throughout the ride. Not doing so results in Son of Beast-ness where supports begin falling on tracks and hitting trains. Not a recommendable path. Trains experience various g-forces throughout the ride as well, causing heavier wear and tear in certain portions versus others, such as the valley of hills, but the sheer weight of the train is still a constant force exerted on all track.

Zero-G Rolls for instance refer to zero lateral g's - vertical g's are still in play, with the track holding up all one-some ton of the train's weight.

A loop would also be very possible on a wooden coaster. Kings Island used a steel structure for Son of Beast's loop, but wooden supports could still be used, as long as force can be safely distributed throughout the structure without damage to supports or track.

 

[Antinos]

Re: Silver Dollar City |"Unknown"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster

Let's compare:

Both New Texas Giant and this have similar support structures. If New Texas Giant's supports, which are just as minimal as this element, can hold up an overbanked turn, then I'll wager that it can hold up a 0-g roll. This may be Rocky Mountain's first coaster, but they're engineers - they're going to double and triple check their math and make sure it's right, otherwise they wouldn't sell a bad product(unless their ethics are seriously **** up).


Debating it at this point is stupid because I'm sure we'll have an answer in a few days. I'm still sticking to my guns, as I've seen too many examples where somebody has said something is impossible and then they looked like a fool when they were proven wrong.