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Mitch Hawker 2013 Steel Poll

Smithy said:
Darren you're basically telling us that the poll filled in by rollercoaster enthusiasts is wrong because you know rollercoaster enthusiasts who think differently.

Its obviously benefitting from being a new ride, but I'd rank it above Stealth, Saw, Shockwave and most of the other rides you listed easily.

Fwiw Stealth was near the bottom of my list iirc. Smiler clearly isn't a **** ride, on the whole, though I do think it'll drop below 75 next year.
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What I'm telling you is that out of the 400 or so people that voted how many are actually well travelled? I bet they spend their weekends at AT fapping over the Smiler and have probably only managed to get out the country once, to go to PortAventura. I guarantee you that the Smiler is so high because their was a high volume of unambitious British voters this time around.

Smithy, I'm going to keep arguing with you here if you want! I have no facts to back up my accusations but I'm going keep on swinging. The Smiler's been fixed into the 38 positions due to a high volume of AT fanboys voting this year. FACT. ;)

EDIT: I actually just had a snoop on TowersStreet, they had a big turn out on there for the Mitch Hawker polls, and they all voted heavily for The Smiler. I shall now get back on my horse and ride off into the sunset knowing that the world hasn't gone mad and it was just a large group of enthusiasts who got together and got behind their new coaster. And good on them too.
 
^That's not how it works though. The only way for it to get so high is for it to be compared to other coasters and for it to be rated more highly than those it's compared against. The number of votes is irrelevant. The opinions of more traveled enthusiasts count more because of this, and it's what pisses people off the most about the vote. "How can that amazing coaster that I'll never ride possibly beat PMBO!!!!! Only 20 people have ridden it!!!!!"

Yeah, well those 20 people have way more to go off than you.

Having said that, plenty of people know that, and who's to say they haven't lied and inflated their count? [/inflametheconspiracy]
 
Darren B said:
How is it the second best coaster in the UK? It doesn't even come close to NI, Stealth, Oblivion.
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Stealth! <3 I seriously can't believe it's ranked as low as 121. It's the best launched coaster I've been on, and keeps a steady position in my top 10!
 
Darren B said:
What I'm telling you is that out of the 400 or so people that voted how many are actually well travelled? I bet they spend their weekends at AT fapping over the Smiler and have probably only managed to get out the country once, to go to PortAventura. I guarantee you that the Smiler is so high because their was a high volume of unambitious British voters this time around.

Smithy, I'm going to keep arguing with you here if you want! I have no facts to back up my accusations but I'm going keep on swinging. The Smiler's been fixed into the 38 positions due to a high volume of AT fanboys voting this year. FACT. ;)

EDIT: I actually just had a snoop on TowersStreet, they had a big turn out on there for the Mitch Hawker polls, and they all voted heavily for The Smiler. I shall now get back on my horse and ride off into the sunset knowing that the world hasn't gone mad and it was just a large group of enthusiasts who got together and got behind their new coaster. And good on them too.
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There's no argument to be had because, as you've said, you have no facts. It's assumptions and personal opinions. Going by the best method we have of collectively ranking rollercoasters (a method which has many flaws admittedly) the Smiler is the 38th best rollercoaster in the world as of last season based on the nuber of people who vote.
 
In my opinion.

Smiler shouldn't be anywhere near the top 50, however, the votes don't lie. There were probably a lot of UK/Europe based folk voting this year.

I personally voted it 21st, but my count at the time was 102, so it deserved to be there. I'm aware that a lot of people couldn't be bothered this year, and as these are well travelled enthusiasts who probably would have voted it a lot lower, those head to heads resulted in wins for the Smiler.

As said previously, it will drop next year, hopefully more people will vote.
 
I didn't vote this year so I don't know exactly where Smiley is in my count but... I'm not mad keen on it, but I also don't think it's awful. It's a ride I would always make an effort to go on if the queue is reasonable.

I'd absolutely rate it above PMBO and Baco - which I think says a lot about how these things happen when you have somebody well travelled voting.

Though I agree about Stealth a little, I'll bet huge numbers of US riders vote it the worst accelerator and one a ride drops under your radar then it drops in comparison really badly.

I guess an example would be somebody who has ttd and kk as their two first accelerators wick they love for nostalgic reasons and stealth they found "nowhere as impressive as ttd".

You know this happens if you agree with it or not. Ttd will be in their top ten, then because kk is good they may put it 15. Stealth they forget about and put in all the inverts, dive machines, megas, fliers, etc. And suddenly find they're at 188 and still haven't placed Stealth. So it gets dropped in way down.

I think it's unfair, but it's the poor cousin syndrome I think.

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I think Stealths rating is fair. It's a good ride, but the other Accelerators I have ridden I found better than it, and that's without having ridden either KK ,TTD or Rossa.

Woah, just noticed that Superman Escape is 2nd ranked accelerator behind Rossa. Didn't even vote and it's still #23.

Happy to see NTXG at #2, fantastic ride.

Zacpins at #198....I still like them though :(
 
BBH said:
Wow, surprised to see X-Flight so low, 112 from last year's 58. By comparison, Raging Bull (the park's far inferior B&M hyper) is 76, down from 57 last year. Didn't expect the fall to be nearly as big.
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There is a noticeable clustering of many of the B&M Wing Coasters around there:

106. Raptor
108. Gatekeeper
112. X-Flight
115. The Swarm
117. Wild Eagle

I personally have Gatekeeper at 23. A good ride, but still rank Intamins, B&M Hypers, and B&M Inverts ahead. It would appear that B&M Wing coasters sit in this middle portion for a number of enthusiasts, which could be a reason for their clustering in the middle of the rankings.

As I mentioned earlier, a number of B&M hypers have seen a fall this year. Raging Bull sits close to a number of other B&M Hypers, such as Silver Star.
 
Its not a surprise tbh. They are a large gimmick and really, even with my limited experience with Gatekeeper, it won't be a trend for long.

Of course, I like airtime and not having my legs pinched off. So there is that.
 
^Based on how it was running fairly recently, absolutely not.

This happens a fair bit. People catch a ride on a bad day, or during a general bad period, and then use that to totally discount other people's opinions of the ride. It's fairly common knowledge that EGF had a crappy year or two, which is obviously unfortunate, but the park has sorted it out and it's now running brilliantly. That doesn't help those who caught it when wasn't running up to standard, but to label everyone else as "wrong" because of it is extremely short-sighted.

Similarly, I was expecting nothing but crap from Silver Star based on a few opinions (all from people who rode around the same time I should add), but loved it, as did everyone else at the time and everyone I know of who's ridden it since. The trims have been relaxed in the last couple of years, making it, in my experience, one of the better B&M hypers now. When I say that though, it's met with eye rolls by those who rode it when it was running ****. Clearly I haven't ridden anywhere near enough coasters to form a decent opinion, since it's "wrong" based on a singular experience 3 years previously.

Boulder Dash gets the same "OVERRATED!!!!!" rating from a group of people who all rode it on the same day, when it was running extremely poorly according to people who were also there and have ridden it on multiple occasions.

I don't doubt for a second that people have crap/disappointing experiences on "good" rides, and it's unfortunate, but it's a bit annoying that some of those same people can't see it the other way round and appreciate that since the majority tends to disagree with them, then perhaps the ride isn't "overrated" at all, and that they've just caught it during a bad period. It's a bit arrogant to be honest: everyone else must be wrong because I didn't like it.
 
It's the same as the superman ride in Spain.

Had never heard a good word about it until cf went a few weeks ago.

Also when we rode Silver Star it was ****, really poor yet now everyone raves about it.
 
Really?

I'd heard nothing but praise for Superman in Madrid although I'd imagine you've come across far more enthusiasts than I have (literally only the few from here who'd been before and some of the PBE lot).

Gavin's got a great point in that the experience that some ries offer may differ vastly season on season, even day by day due to a number of factors. There's a big difference iirc between the overall poll results and the poll results that only take into account rides that had been ridden that year (Think Nemesis placed several places higher and was well inside the top ten).

I've regularly been told about the airtime you can get on PMBO again by the PBE lot who've ridden it immensely more times than I have, so even though I've never experienced it myself I'm not naive enough to sit and say it doesn't have any. Likewise that's why it's naive for people to just outright disagree with a rides collective ranking because of one's own experience on it. And vice versa to disagree with somebodies individual ranking of a ride based off of their experience.
 
I agree with Gavin wholeheartedly, but it doesn't explain why I305 is there. I've ridden that enough times to know that my opinion of it is a well rounded one and I don't know anyone who thinks it's very good, I don't think?

How the hell has it ended up sooooo high? Like, I could understand somewhere between 15-30, that's probably realistically where it belongs.
 
^ As Marc already stated some two pages ago, it's most probably because some group leader praises it so highly. And considering that this group leader appears practically everywhere (TV, youtube...) and that a lot of people aren't capable of building their own opinion of the rides they've ridden, thus consequently making their opinion based on something that someone else have said, there is your answer...
 
^That. That also explains why MF was up there for so long as well. Groupthink is a bad thing in polls.

I thought 305 was good, but not great. I've ridden it in a few configs (trip on drop, trim on airtime hill, etc etc) and it still is not an elite coaster.
 
Which is all why I am always plotting for how to get everyone to drink the koolaid that Blazing Fury should be a top 10.

I mean, there is nothing better than a dark ride, water ride, and roller coaster all-in-one.

Except an Apache Helicopter. An Apache Helicopter has machine guns AND missiles. It is an unbelievably impressive compliment of weaponry; an absolute death machine.
 
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