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John Wardley to Work with B&M Once Again

^ Maybe so, but Flyers are capable of being thrilling I'm told. Okay so prehaps not a Flyer, but something similar, if you look how Saw and Oblivion are often compared yet they are totally different ride types.
 
Ben said:
Well, personally, you're wrong. Ride Tatsu :P

The fact Tatsu is like 150 feet tall is what makes it a good ride, because it's so off the ground. Let's face it, Thorpe would NEVER get planning permission to build that.

I would put my money on Thorpe or Heide.
 
Personally, I didn't rate Tastu too highly. The pretzel loop was awesome, but the rest was a lot tamer than what I expcted. I still think that flying coasters are for the experience as opposed to the 'thrill'. I've yet to ride Manta, but I doubt that will change my views.

I thought this was a well interesting podcast! Wierd how he's retired, yet still has so much involvement. I didn't realise how heavily involved he was with other ride manufacturers. Thanks mucho for the link.
 
I liked that Podcast. Went thru the whole thing.

Personally, I think Merlin should go to John and say, 'hay heres a massive budget, do what you please'. Similar to Chessie. I can only dream though in these modern times...

I just don't want yet another gimmick coaster. We have had enough of those. They are never a memorable ride that lasts in peoples minds like john was saying and people generally come away dissapointed with those. We need something top notch, good quality, like Nemesis / Oblivion / Hex / Vampire style that are still loved 10 years down the line.
 
^ Nemesis, Oblivion, Hex, Vampire, etc are all gimmicks in context that Wardley used as tools.

How's Nemesis a gimmick? Well at the time, Wardley compared the ride to flying. It was Air's predacessor in Wardley's brain. It was a very new idea at the time, to be able to go up-side-down with hanging cars.

There is nothing wrong with gimmicks, as long as the gimmick is used to fuel the ride's "theme". I use the term theme loosely here.

-lofty- said:
...and he might be working on the SAW Live at Thorpe (especially seeing that he originally started his work with "dark rides").

I see this as very doubtful! Due to a couple of reasons...

1. Although he may have started out with 'dark rides', he is far more known for his expertise in large scale thrilling coasters.

2. A Horror Walkthrough/Scare attraction is ALOT different to a Dark Ride imo, not just for the fact you are minus a car system, bu the whole way it is set out, as in Actors, Backstage areas, Path layout, How close you can get to an audience and many more.

3. If Thorpe/Merlin did need help with creating this attraction, then they would go to a specialised Scare Attraction company, hey I mean, it makes more sense then go to a Layout designer (so to speak).
Also, Wardley outwardly showed distaste to using the Saw franchise in that interview.

He was talking about how using something in contemporary pop culture has the huge flaw of being outdated very quickly.

He also made it quite clear that he wasn't responsible for Saw's theme, just the original ideas.

And he mentioned how its easy to scare people and what he finds difficult and thrilling is trying to make them laugh or smile.

I don't think he approved of Saw's theme, but has respect for Thorpe choosing it due to their market.

I have no idea if indeed the B&M would be for any of those parks. He might just be working with B&M on a new project, not specially on a park, like what someone said earlier in the topic.
He did say he's a rides consultant for Merlin, specifically. So I think whatever he's doing for B&M it is for Merlin. Also because of the history he has with them, which he also made a point of covering in the interview.
 
Can I throw in TusenFryd in the mix as well? If we're already saying 2012, that's the year when Fryd's tri-annual cycle will start over. From 1998 or thenabouts, they have added a major ride roughly each third year. We saw SpeedMonster in 2006, SpinSpider this year, and 2012 will be the next time we'll see something big (according to interviews).

And the park's Vice CEO has stated on national TV that he thinks a good Inverted Coaster would be the best choice for TusenFryd. Who makes good inverted coasters?
(though, they haven't done in three years).
As likely as Thorpe, isn't it?
 
But noone know if it's a well developed park/a new park/smaller park/expanding park, so it could be for anyone, you can only rule out parks with plannin gpermission issues and financial differculty really.
 
Pokemaniac said:
Can I throw in TusenFryd in the mix as well? If we're already saying 2012, that's the year when Fryd's tri-annual cycle will start over. From 1998 or thenabouts, they have added a major ride roughly each third year. We saw SpeedMonster in 2006, SpinSpider this year, and 2012 will be the next time we'll see something big (according to interviews).

And the park's Vice CEO has stated on national TV that he thinks a good Inverted Coaster would be the best choice for TusenFryd. Who makes good inverted coasters?
(though, they haven't done in three years).
As likely as Thorpe, isn't it?
No. As tusenfryd isn't owned by Merlin.
 
Thanks for posting that Darren that was really interesting, enjoyed listening to that.

I really want to know what this new concept is he is working on with B&M, it's going to be great whatever it may be, my money is on Thorpe for 2012.

In fact I remember when it was announced a new coaster for Thorpe in 2009 people said that JW was working with B&M on a new coaster type and it was rumoured to be that but obviously we got the eurofighter :(

Also I wonder what happened to those models that he said he created of Transylvania and RAMT at Chessie. Also a model of Nemesis and haunted house. They sounded so awesome be such a shame if they were just thrown away :(

Anyway that was great and I look forward to the next podcast with JW on it!
 
Just confused as to why no one thinks Gardaland is in the running for this?

When was the last time they got something decent, anyways?
 
Well they got Mammut not so long ago. The reason I think it's for Thorpe is John is normally more involved in UK parks and seeing as Alton have just got SW6 and I very much doubt it's for Legoland or Chessie Thorpe park is the obvious choice.

I could be very wrong but if it doesn't go to a UK park I think Heide Park is the next most obvious.
 
^ From John's own webbpage: "His current projects include the creation of a major new ride for Alton Towers for 2010, Heide Park, Gardaland and Thorpe Park as well as acting as consultant to Merlin Entertainments for the development of their other attractions."

So we can sort out Chessington and Legoland, and it is definitely not sure it's a UK-park..
 
None of the facts really outrule others, no. For example, the fact that he's working with B&M doesn't necessarily mean said B&M will be for Merlin - despite my comment at pokemaniac. But my point was it's more likley, given all the information we have, that it will be for Thorpe than anything else... Imo. Should probably add that.

We know he's working with Heide, Gardaland and Thorpe.
He's a consultant for Merlin.
We know he's working with B&M on their next product.
Thorpe's last 3 coasters have been at 3 year intervals.
2012 is a big year for London and Thorpe Park is in London.

...amongst other lamer reasons, like, Alton don't have as much space to play with... I think it will be for Thorpe. Heide is my second choice.
 
Joey said:
Alton don't have as much space to play with... I think it will be for Thorpe
Huh? Thorpe doesn't have any land to build on at all, Alton has loads of space (although they're not willing to build there).. But both Heide and Garda are better options "space-wise", that's why I personally think the B&M will be built there. Thorpe really needs to remove some of their rides (eg crappy colossus) to make room for a new impressive coaster, but if they do they might as well be a candidate (especially for the 2012 season).
 
I've always said that the corporate area behind the water slide thingy at Thorpe is an ideal place to build a new ride.

It'd rather large and is just filled up with a rather pitiful and useless tent...
 
Twice said:
and Jools also said:
differculty

Please find a way of getting your spelling correct. Sorry for going off topic, but it makes me cringe reading things like this. I know this isn't really my place to say it, but I find it difficult to consider your opinions seriously when annoying mistakes like these are there.

Back on topic, I suppose it would make sense for the ride to be going to Thorpe for 2012, it would be a good way of drawing in crowds.

Someone metioned that he was working with them on a project that was for Merlin specifically. Is it not possible that he is simply Merlin's liason with B&M, and all of Merlin's rivals also have someone working with B&M on this project. B&M surely would be talking to lots of different companies to create a ride type that they could sell numerous times to different customers.
 
andrus said:
Joey said:
Alton don't have as much space to play with... I think it will be for Thorpe
Huh? Thorpe doesn't have any land to build on at all, Alton has loads of space (although they're not willing to build there).. But both Heide and Garda are better options "space-wise", that's why I personally think the B&M will be built there. Thorpe really needs to remove some of their rides (eg crappy colossus) to make room for a new impressive coaster, but if they do they might as well be a candidate (especially for the 2012 season).
It's not that Alton aren't willing, it's that they cannot build, basically, where they haven't.

Thorpe, however, are pretty free to do as they please. More importantly, the Beach must be reaching the end of it's life, at least in it's current condition. And I can't see them renovating it. But for a space only open for a month or so of the year, seems silly to keep it really.

jokerman said:
Twice said:
and Jools also said:
differculty

Please find a way of getting your spelling correct. Sorry for going off topic, but it makes me cringe reading things like this. I know this isn't really my place to say it, but I find it difficult to consider your opinions seriously when annoying mistakes like these are there.
Prehaps is clearly a typo, differculty is phonetically spelt. It's not like those spelling errors are making Jools' posts hard to read. How about you link Jools to a spellchecker? If it bothers you so much.

Sorry for going off topic, but it makes me cringe reading things like this. I know this isn't really my place to say it, but I find it difficult to consider your opinions seriously when you're being a pedantic twat.
 
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