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Disney World's Magic Band System

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This is something that I wanted to discuss once I got my Florida trip report underway, but Screamscape have just linked to a fantastic article about Disney's new(ish) Magic Band system, which operates across the whole Florida Disney resort, across all the parks and hotels.

It's much too long to copy and paste in here, but I really recommend taking ten minutes or so to read through it.

http://www.wired.com/2015/03/disney-magicband/

For anyone unfamiliar, the Magic Band is basically a bracelet with a chip and transmitter that is used in multiple ways acorss the parks and hotels, for example:

- As a key to your hotel room
- As a "ticket" to enter the parks
- As a way to pay for goods in shops, restaurants and food stalls (linked to your credit card so that you don't need cash)
- As a a fastpass for pre-selected rides

The bands are linked to a website and phone app, meaning that you can plan and customise your day weeks in advance of actually visiting. You can select your fastpasses for the day (only three per day) and make reservations for restaurants etc.

Here are my thoughts on the whole system:

The level of convenience is great; you can just stick the band on and then not have to think about park tickets, hotel key cards, money, credit cards etc. You could literally leave everything in the hotel.

It's great that pretty much every attraction is now on the fastpass system, as opposed to a more limited number of key attractions previously. However, I also felt that some people were inadvertently "wasting" fastpasses by selecting attractions which had no need of them. For example, I saw people using them for Muppet Vision or Captain EO, where regardless of whether you have a fastpass or not, you just pile into the same preshow area. As a park enthusiast, I like to think that I've got the "art" of using the traditional paper fastpass system down quite well, but I can see the appeal to a more casual visitor of being able to preselect.

Preplanned fastpasses are limited to three (though more can be chosen if they're all used) and are arranged in groups of attractions. This sometimes means that you may not be able to make the best possible choices as your preferred attractions may be grouped together and you can only choose one from that group. However, by using the phone app, you can change your fastpasses over the course of the day. I found this to be very useful when I found that certain attractions had lower waiting times than I expected, so I could change the fastpass to another attraction instead. For example, I'd selected Kali River Rapids at Animal Kingdom, expecting long lines, but found it to be a walk-on for most of the day. Instead of being stuck with a pointless fastpass, I could change it for something with longer lines.

I didn't use the band to pay for anything in the parks, preferring to just pay cash as I went - I'd put all hotels and park tickets on my card already, so preferred to keep track of daily spending through using cash. However, I can see the convenience of this system.

Personally, I didn't really like the idea of completely micromanaging my day before I'd even arrived in the country. The idea behind the bands is partly to allow for more freedom during the day as you've already nailed down your "must-do" list, potentially alleviating the stress of getting those things done as you don't need to worry about waiting times or rushing to do them before they get busy.

However, I thought the opposite was often true, with people rushing to make sure they met their fastpass deadlines (realistically there's a bit of leeway - up to 15 minutes from what I heard from staff) or to get to their restaurant reservations on time, taking away a lot of the spontaneity.

Also, being quite cynical, I also see the whole thing as a way for Disney to almost be in control of your day and keeping tabs on their guests. The bands are constantly transmitting, so there's the potential for the park/resort to know where their guests are at all times. I'm not saying this as some conspiracy-theory bollocks, because I don't buy into that, but it could be an extremely valuable marketing and data collection tool for the company. In addition, the cashless system undoubtedly creates more revenue from merchandise, food and drinks as people are't paying as much attention to what they're spending.

Anyway, I've written far more than I was planning to. I basically wanted to share the article (read it; it's worth the effort) and get your thoughts.

If you've used this system, what do you think of it? Did it make your visit easier/more convenient, or did you find the level of preplanning took away the spontaneity of the day?

If you haven't used it, what do you think of the idea in theory? Do you find the idea of planning your day weeks in advance appealing? As enthusiasts, I know that plenty of us already do that to a large extent anyway.

Would you like to see the system rolled out across the other Disney parks? It's likely happening in California pretty soon. What about other parks outside the Disney chain? Disney will have a very strong hold on the rights of the technology, and the whole system was ludicrously expensive, so I personally can't see it appearing anywhere else for a very long time.

Ok. Discuss.
 
We made great use of this system back in the summer. As I'm sure you've found from my trip report though, we didn't stay in a resort hotel and we also didn't use the bands to pay for anything.

I loved the idea of them, and they really were a convenient way of getting through the day. I loved the little twinkle the ticket booths make when you press your band up against them.

The whole fast pass system is great also, no silly pieces of paper that need ticking off, just go straight up to the ride entrance at the time of your fast pass, scan your band and you're in! But I agree with what Gavin says in that, you book these up to 30 days in advance (I think this is as much as 60 in a resort hotel) so you do really have to plan your visit around them, as well as restaurant reservations, and the spontaneity of a 'theme park' trip goes out the window really, but it doesn't go completely, and for skipping the queues on three popular rides at a Disney park is worth it surely.

For people not familiar with Disney and their rides (I won't mention my Dinosaur incident) people might not know what the more popular rides are, so might book for rides that, like Muppet Vision, suck up a theatre full of people in one go so if people are savvy enough, they can change these on the app (which we actually found to be pretty appalling in comparison to the usual Disney standard by the way) which is a great idea.

Something Gavin didn't mention, which we made great use of, was we had Disney's PhotoPass. As long as you're wearing your wristband (and you have the PhotoPass itself) all on ride photo's are saved to your account automatically and you can download these and keep them all. We got all the ORPs so saved quite a bit, especially when you consider that for 5 of us on Space Ranger Spin would have required 3 photos...yeah, you can see what I'm getting at.

Overall I think they're a great idea, and pretty easy to use. They do take the spontaneity of the day away, and might make it less relaxing as you constantly have the thought in the back of your mind that you need to make the next fast pass/reservation but this doesn't really detract from the day.
 
Firstly, I totally agree with Gavin about Disney using them as a marketing tool. After reading the Wired article I didn't realise that the bloody things transmit your location! Yes this is great for fast service at a restaurant or whatever but that is weird.

Secondly, one of my favourite things about visiting parks is the notion of discovery. Yes I've done WDW about 8 times now so this doesn't directly affect me, but it will affect someone like Conor, who has never been but already knows about the Be Our Guest restaurant for example, and even if he didn't he would have to at least 30 days before the trip if he wanted to even have a chance of dining in there. I tried to ask to go in just for a look around on my last visit to the park and I was denied. So basically they've taken away that organic way of exploring parks and having those 'WOW!' moments as you turn a corner and find yourself at the foot of the Beast's castle, because you've been anticipating the moment for weeks now. Not good.

Fastpasses being pre-booked annoys me because, as Gavin touched in, the way you choose to use them is entirely dependent on a number of factors, mostly how busy the park is. But also in the past I know that we've been caught in a shower in Orlando and have decided to purposely join a queue for an indoor attraction to get out of the rain. I know you can change these on a phone app (Gavin, are you therefore required to be permanently connect to the park Wifi, and how reliable was this? I remember it being very sporadic on my last visit) but I don't want to constantly be checking the time and my phone making sure I'm on schedule for everything, I want to forget that deadlines exist and just enjoy.

The photo thing Jordan mentioned is a very nice touch, that's clearly one of the better points of the bands. So does every person buying a ticket for the park now get issued with one of these? If so that's totally weird! I don't want a gross wristband on me all day, especially if it doesn't match my outfit.

So I guess it clearly has its good points but ultimately its all a big too Big Brother for me and removes the 'good old fashioned family fun' aspect, which is surely what Disney is all about?
 
Jordanovichy said:
for skipping the queues on three popular rides at a Disney park is worth it surely.

Yes, but you could do that with the old system, and if you are a bit savvy could be holding multiple fast passes as you can pick up new ones after a set time of picking up your last one, not only after your current passes had expired. With the new system, if you've got a fast pass for something in the evening, you've got no way of getting any more since there's no way to use up your original three.

For someone who knows what they're doing, the old paper system, while admittedly more of a faff, is MUCH better. The new system is probably fairer though, in that any old idiot can use it and get the same benefits as someone with a bit more common sense.

nadroJ said:
Gavin, are you therefore required to be permanently connect to the park Wifi, and how reliable was this? I remember it being very sporadic on my last visit

Basically. The wifi isn't too bad at all, but I found it to be quite sporadic if you're away from any buildings. It's excellent in queue lines though, which is actually the perfect time to be checking those things anyway.

So does every person buying a ticket for the park now get issued with one of these? If so that's totally weird! I don't want a gross wristband on me all day, especially if it doesn't match my outfit.

If you turn up on the day, you're just given a card with an RFID chip. There are various fastpass stations around the parks where you can set up your fastpasses, but chances are you'll be a bit screwed because the people who booked in advance will have already made their selections.

Mine was waiting for me when I checked into the hotel, but you can get them delivered to your home if you're not staying on Disney property. I'm assuming you could also pick them up at Guest Services if you're exchanging internet bookings/reservations at the gate.

They actually look ok. The default colour is just a matt grey, but you can customise them if booked in advance. they resemble one of those fitness tracker wristbands really.

As for the Big Brother aspect, you can actually request a band that doesn't actually transmit information. It's basically like a travel card (Oyster) etc and just holds basic information without transmitting a signal. I only found this out after I'd been given the band and read the small print that comes in the box. Stuff like that doesn't bother me though.
 
Welcome to the party (I created a topic shortly after it was announced ;)).

Glad to hear it actually works ok. I'm glad that it limits everyone to three fastpasses because they cause longer waits for the normal queue and with the abuse going on with the old system this eradicates it and increases the flow of the normal queues. I think adding it to EVERYTHING was silly though. I've seen pictures where for some reason people have used a fast pass on spaceship earth in Epcot despite the fast pass queue merging where the end of the normal queue was anyway. Silly.

There are rumours that the Walt Disney Company is paying for Paris to get the system within the next few years. I'll believe it when I see it though. Would it work in Paris? Well that's a whole different conversation.

I heard early on (so no idea if it is the actual case) that for those that just turned up on the day they had additional fastpasses stored in the system for their use.
 
I really just do not get why Disney cling to free fast pass system?

That concept was born at Chessington, for those who don't know, and the logic was to spread guests out around the park and reduce overall queueing times.

But it doesn't work in practise. What it does do is favour those who know the system and those who forego having fun and exploring a park naturally for a highly planned visit.

Chessington got rid of theirs and introduced a paid system, and whilst I'd prefer no fast track at all, I'd rather people paid money for the privilege than the park wasted money enforcing something that is never going to is work and just causes annoyance for guests. If fast track didn't exist, everyone would ride quicker, queues would be shorter overall, staffing costs lower, guest annoyance lower...

Disney knew there was a problem with it which is why this magic band crap exists, but at what cost? Literally?? And during my brief visit in January to Magic Kingdom I witnessed a backlog of guests at every entrance confused or trying to argue their way through, claiming the system must be wrong or whatever. Apparently lots of people book the wrong thing, confusing Disneys similar attractions. The looks on staff faces.
 
I really hate selecting fastpasses in advance before I have even entered the park. It means you have to plan your whole day around riding those particular attractions at certain times.

At least with the old system you get your time once you enter the park and then spontaneously decide what you are going to do next based on the time you have received and work around that. Its much more fun.

Knowing months in advance that I am riding Space Mountain on 15/06/2015 at 15:15, is all too well planned and routine for me.

Also when I was in WDW last October all the fastpasses had already gone for Seven Dwarves, Space Mountain etc.. So anyone that turns up without booking in advance will lose out. With the old system its a level playing field every morning until they run out.

As for the other benefits, I personally haven't used one yet, but as far as I can see the bands have just created a solution for a problem which wasn't there.. Is it really that much of a burden to hold onto some cash, park tickets and a room key?
 
The system grew on me during my time in Florida, last summer.

The issue I had was that I had to wake up early (8am, I'm 18, that is early) to book which rides I wanted to go on. This meant the holiday wasn't the usual play it by ear, where should we go today. Instead it was, right today MK, Space Mountain at 9am, Big Thunder at 11am and Splash Mountain at 4pm.

I loved the old system, I really did. I used to get a sense of excitement over putting my ticket into the machine and receiving a fast past, which were quite decorative for a piece of card; they were also quite collectable.

Now I don't like living in the past and therefore embraced the new system with open arms. I love the magic bands and after the all the planning I can't fault the system as a whole. Scan your magic band, straight on the ride.

However I did discover some faults:

Park hoping cannot be done effectively. I only park hop (usually) to see the fireworks or to see Fantasmic. But at the time when the system was new you couldn't park hop. I'm not sure if you can now.
The main issue is booking more fast passes in the park. At the time we couldn't book more on our phones, I think you can now, so we had to use the touch screens. The touch screens were those cheap pressure sensor ones, they simply don't work. There are limited cast members around with iPads who can book for you. This is probably something that has now been ironed out.


The real benefit of the system is the photo pass. It is brilliant! You pay around $99 and all of your ORP, photos around the park and ORV on TOT are sent to your account, for you to download.

To conclude, I love the magic bands and photo pass but I still miss the old fast pass system, although the new system is growing on me.
 
These sound atrocious. When I'm in Disney the phone stays at home and I wander around enjoying myself with no outside contact.

I'm already apprehensive about Tokyo later this year, where I'll need to keep in touch with the rest of the group. This though, this has all the makings of hell on earth for me.
 
I have a question for those who have used this, is 3 enough?

On the face of things, 3 doesn't seem very generous, but when I think about it, I may have only used a few each day... I dunno, it's hard to tell really.

One positive to come out of this must be Midway Mania. Even with the park just open, the fast passes would still be for 6 hours later!
 
Martyn B said:
I have a question for those who have used this, is 3 enough?

On the face of things, 3 doesn't seem very generous, but when I think about it, I may have only used a few each day... I dunno, it's hard to tell really.

One positive to come out of this must be Midway Mania. Even with the park just open, the fast passes would still be for 6 hours later!

To an extent yes. Once you've used your three, you can get one more at a time. If any are left that is.
I didn't have a problem with missing anything, that I wanted to ride.
 
Honestly I like the magicbands just as much as the old system. I don't know if I really like one more than the other, but both have their ups and downs.

Everyone seems to be really concerned about how you 'have' to plan your day in the park 6 months in advance or something crazy, but you really don't. Most of the time when I've used the system I was able to book fastpasses for the popular rides the night before I wanted them, so basically just trade out getting up for park opening to get fastpasses with getting them the night before. Sometimes they were all booked for the next day or only had weird times, but you take what you can get I guess..

In terms of only being able to get 3 fastpasses a day, yeah that kinda stinks, but most people usually didn't get many more than that on the old system anyways. I think its a huge plus to be able to trade out your fastpasses for others on your phone because it's so convenient. Many a time I've been in line for a ride, just checked what fastpasses were available for me to trade out my unwanted ones with on my phone, and found a good replacement for within an hour or two. So it's nice to be able to change plans on the fly like that if you want to.

Also, it's pretty convenient to be able to charge to your room if you're staying on property with the band, but you could do that with the old room card keys anyways, so that isn't necessarily new. I do wish that they offered them with fabric wristbands because the current design isn't super comfortable, but it isn't really a problem. Plus with all the colors you have to try to collect them all!
 
Martyn B said:
I have a question for those who have used this, is 3 enough?

On the face of things, 3 doesn't seem very generous, but when I think about it, I may have only used a few each day... I dunno, it's hard to tell really.

Three is a decent number, but you might find that the stuff you would like fastpasses for is grouped together. You choose 1 or 2 from each grouping, not any three you want. You can't get more than one for the same ride either.

The problem with getting extra after the initial three is that you have to have used ALL three before you can get an extra. If just one of your fastpasses is for later in the evening, which could happen if it's a popular ride or you want it for a nighttime show, then there's no way of getting any extra. Allowing you to get a new one after each one used, or a certain amount of time after using one, would be better I think, in that it's closer to the original system while retaining the "convenience" of preselecting.

I've just had an e-mail from Disney reminding me to purchase my photos. I didn't know I had any, but they've been linked into the magic band without me even asking. I'd thought that if you wanted an ORP after riding something, you just use the magic band at the shop to link them to your account or pay for them, but it's done automatically.

This is both amazing and creepy in equal measure. Think about it. Basically, the whole system knows where you are down to which car you're riding in and can automatically send you photos that you didn't know existed.

I thought maybe it was somehow done through the fastpass system: when you scan in using your fastpass, it knows where you are and works accordingly. However, it has sent me photos for rides where I didn't use a fastpass at all, or for rerides where I'd used a fastpass and the normal queue for multiple rides, right down to an empty Splash Mountain car that I had just been evacuated from before the photo was taken.

This means that there are sensors on the loading platforms or in the cars that know where you are. Looking at the photos they've linked me to, they have this going on in:

Space Mountain
Splash Mountain
Seven Dwarfs Mine Train
Buzz Lightyear
Test Track
Rock 'n' Roller Coaster
Tower of Terror
Dinosaur
Expedition Everest
 
Yeah that's quite amazing. Freaky. But amazing.

Apparently in the future animatronics etc will be able to say your name (a bit like E.T. At Universal.) which is also uber creepy. I've heard staff apparently say "hello x" when you swipe in for fastpasses already.
 
Martyn B said:
I'm not staying on site, but I'll be getting my tickets in advance so how will I get whatever it is I need?
You can still book FastPasses with the ticket number, but will need to stop by a ticket window upon arrival at your first Disney Park. They will then issue a RFID card (which works like a MagicBand) or you can buy a MagicBand if you really want one.

As a current Cast Member, I worked during the testing and unveiling of the whole system back in 2013. I like the overall simplicity of it. Quick payments, linked dining plans, room key, etc. all works great! (Most of the time.)

I don't like the new FastPass system. Only pre-booking 3 is a little limited in my opinion, (and booking in advance bothers me too) but it usually works out to go back and get more after you use the 3. If you book fireworks/show viewing though, you are stuck with 3 so that is a downside.

At first I thought it would prevent people from abusing the system, but already there are new ways to do so.

My advice to anyone who has not used the system yet is get familiar with the MyDisneyExperience App, because the FastPass+ kiosk lines get insanely long (ironically enough) and you can do everything on the app that you would do at the kiosk with no wait.
 
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