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Chinese learn a new way to eat fish...

Yes, Imperialistic people like me feel very strongly about the loss of Hong Kong. It is in no way to be considered a joke :p
 
UC I wasn't saying they had to submit to western culture, I was saying more wordly views of the world. I think the majority of the world believe this, just because the Asians think it's right doesn't mean it is. We thought it was "right" to burn heretics, looking back, it was wrong. That was more my point.

They aren't going to change for me, but I have a right to my opinion on what's right and wrong.
 
I agree with Taylor. It's cruel to the fish to do that. Just because it's their culture doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. This topic is about the video posted and what they've done to the fish not calling people ignorant and names for having an opinion.
The video does have the shock factor which probably makes it seem more wrong but it's the whole fact it's a living creature and is still alive while it's being cooked and eating that's disgusting. It may be something they do out there and they probably don't see it the same way we do and because we've not seen it before we think it's horrible. But that still doesn't hide the fact that it's animal cruelty.
I can't be bothered to get in an argument about this. People will have different views on if it's right or not but in my opinion nothing should have to go through that.
 
As Asians make up the "majority" of the world - I suspect that the majority of the world believe this is alright actually.

I would still say that the Chinese probably think the hours of torture we put our animals through before killing them is much more barbaric than the relatively short cruelty they bestow upon their animals. I suspect they may be correct, especially as they're in the majority ;)

Again, at least here, the consumer of the fish has to deal with the truth of what he's eating. He's not hiding behind pre-packaging and lies. He comes to terms with the fact he has to kill to eat. How many people here could go and find an animal, then kill it and eat it? I'll bet all those who think they could also don't find this too shocking. Those who could never take a little cute lamb and strangle it while it bleats pathetically before stuffing it with rosemary and making a delicious roast of - they're the people who think eating this fish is awful.

The truth is somebody needs to kill to eat, and for our own convenience, we're removed from the actual act of killing our food. Therefore we just accept that it's one of those things and bury our heads in the sand. If this had been a video of a fish dying of disembowelment for an hour in a restaurant before a Westerner ate it - it would have the same reaction (or similar). Yet that's how our fish is prepared, so why is it worse than this? I think if you accept that animals suffer for our convenience, then you have to accept this too - it's just a different (and quicker) means to the same end.
 
I don't mind killing an animal for food, as long as it's done with he animal going through as little pain as you can make it, this does not do this. That is my problem with it, I generally don't like the way fish is manufactured either, therefore I try and buy the welfare variety when possible.

And furie the Indians don't eat like this and they're Asians ;)
 
LiveForTheLaunch said:
Do you ever eat food when you're not hungry, for fun?

That's like a by-product of evolution, selecting those who eat lots, because it helps them survive in a normal enviroment.

"Thrill of the hunt" is another. It probably explains why I find chasing pigeons one of the greatest sources of entertainment London has to offer, and why people enjoy Fox Hunting, and Bull Fighting, and prodding at a semi-dead fish like a cat would...
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There Joey, I quoted the whole thing, and I still stand by what I said earlier. Or, I'm failing to even SEE your point.
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It doesn't matter if you never eat meat "for fun". Eating anything "for fun" explains that we don't just eat when we are hungry. In the same way, we don't just hunt when we are hungry. We, reffering to all carnivourous or omnivourous life on earth.

Animal rights pisses me off because it conviniently forgets that we are one.
 
Slash said:
And furie the Indians don't eat like this and they're Asians ;)
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True, but almost a million of them slaughter up to half a million animals as sacrifices to their God every few years. ;)
 
This sort of thing really doesn't bother me, I'm with UC, this is a completely different culture and if this is how they choose to eat their fish, then let them get on with it. Who am I to criticise their cultural eating habits etc? It is not my problem nor is it MY country's problem in the first place. I feel the same about things like wars etc. I hate the fact that the Western world are so imperialistic and ignorant that we feel our word is law and we have the right to tell other countries to change their cultures so as not to offend us.

Also, I can also see the human race as still animalistic and primeval. We kill, we eat. Who cares how 'humane' it is. Do lions care whether their food is completely dead before they eat it? No, and yes you could argue that their brains are less developed than a human mind and therefore they lack the ability to feel compassion but at the end of the day we're all creatures of the world and we must all eat to survive.

I also think that if people like Taylor, Ollie and Slash want to express the fact that they think things such as eating fish alive are wrong to gain some sense of moral self-righteousness, they should be allowed to get on with it. I don't care.
 
This sort of thing really doesn't bother me, I'm with UC, this is a completely different culture and if this is how they choose to eat their fish, then let them get on with it. Who am I to criticise their cultural eating habits etc? It is not my problem nor is it MY country's problem in the first place. I feel the same about things like wars etc. I hate the fact that the Western world are so imperialistic and ignorant that we feel our word is law and we have the right to tell other countries to change their cultures so as not to offend us.
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Do those of you who think the Chinese should be allowed to do this to fish, or the Spanish allowed to bull fight, think that the mid-African cultural tradition of female circumcision should be allowed to go on? For example.

Just curious.
 
Oh? And who's to stop the Chinese from saying YOUR way of life isn't right?

What gives you the right to bash another culture's way of life, when they don't bash yours?

Learn some respect, and that you aren't the only thing on this planet that has traditions and values
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They can bash mine all they want, but it just so happens my way of life doesn't include animal abuse. NO way of life should include animal abuse, and that's an opinion, not being ignorant. I accept the fact that they do it, but I don't see it as right. Do you accept the fact that people's way of life in other places is being in, maybe terrorist groups or something? Respect it, it's their way of life, no matter how wrong it is! Why should I respect something I absolutely don't believe in?

In Singapore, chewing gum is banned. Should you, therefore, not be allowed to chew gum? They also execute people for large-scale drug offenses. Do you believe in the death penalty for drug smuggling? If you can be punished for it over there, why not over here?
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It's actually NOT banned. You have to show a passport to buy it, and you can get in trouble for spitting it on the ground, but it isn't banned. Chewing gum is also not hurting anything.. There's quite a difference between animal abuse as a way of life, and chewing gum as a part of your daily habit.

Pretty much all of the other examples you mentioned are the same.. They're not HARMING other living things. Go ahead, draw a Swastikka, the worst it's gonna do is offend somebody. Smoke your weed, who cares? You choose to do it to your own body, and that's fantastic.. You're not hurting something else that doesn't have a say in what you do to it or not.

I thought you were a person of your beliefs?

Apparently not, Taylor. Apparently, your beliefs and "opinions" fall flat on their face when it comes to being an inconvenience to you.

Why don't you boycott McDonald's and refuse to work for them since they have a history of being wrapped up in animal rights abuses?
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I've never heard any animal right cases against McDonalds anyways. Right now I just looked it up, and yeah, their suppliers are wrong for killing their chickens like they do. The chickens aren't slaughtered by McDonalds themselves though, and yes, they could take a stand against it, but they don't, which I have to say is wrong, but it just so happens I'm the only person who works in my house, and without money, a lot of things wouldn't be able to be had.

People who treat their "beliefs" like you do are the problem with this world. You're all talk, no action, no stand. Yeah, you'll protest that "transgression against humanity," as long as it doesn't require you to sacrifice or work.
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You also can't say I don't take a stand for stuff I believe in. I'm glad you think you know EVERY aspect of my life. I've done things, and whether or not they're big things or not, I've still at least put in some contribution.

And don't even get me started on economies and job markets. Do you know what country I live in? Or is it just that you think anything outside of your immediate vicinity is nothing but a fairytale land of unicorns and candy?
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No, I didn't say that, but Windsor has been harder hit than almost anywhere in Canada. Our major source of income as a city is our Casino and also the fact that we are one of the biggest car and vehicle suppliers in Canada, having three huge car company factories in the city. Since we border America, the Americans were the main cash flow into the Casino, but ever since they put in the passport rule, everyone just stays on their side and goes to the American casinos. So, they have like, monthly layoffs of tons of employees almost monthly. As for our "big three" car companies, they laid of 1,200 from GM, and almost the same amount from Ford/Chrysler. When you have people getting laid off that much and that often, it's VERY hard to find jobs, because they're trying to get whatever part time jobs they can.

It isn't right for anyone to do this, if this happened in America, everyone would be up in arms and this debate wouldn't be happening because it's a western country.
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This is more or less EXACTLY what I meant.
 
I love sushi but that's a bit too fresh for me. I'd rather the flesh be dead before tucking into it.

I would try it though, just to say I have but I don't think I could look it in the eye as I stuck my chopstick into it's body.
 
Taylor said:
Why should I respect something I absolutely don't believe in?
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Because any broad minded, non biased human being would respect any sense of anything in this world, whether they believe in it or not.

I am an Atheist through and through, but to not respect religion because I don't believe in it would be foolish and retarded. Likewise, I don't believe in terrorism, but I respect the fact that they would sacrifice their life for something they believe in.. however wrong and stupid it may be.

Being respectful isn't the same as believing in something, not by any means.



And.. if you have such a problem with a culture doing what it does, why do you continue to do things which other cultures, as UC pointed out, in the majority of the world population, believe is wrong? I call hypocrite.
 
Likewise, I don't believe in terrorism, but I respect the fact that they would sacrifice their life for something they believe in.. however wrong and stupid it may be.
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Oh okay, so 9/11 was right because the terrorists believed it was right.

Listen, you guys are saying I'm missing your points, but you're totally missing mine. I accept that it's what they do. I accept they eat dogs, I accept they eat cats, but I don't LIKE it. I DON'T like their culture, but it's what they do and I understand they don't find it wrong. I do though, and I'd never do it.

It's not like any of you are going to grow any balls and actually take up arms on this "issue" with the ACTUAL PEOPLE that you feel are being so "hideously cruel."
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Are you kidding me? If I saw someone doing that, yes I would say something.
 
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