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This is also an issue of a manipulative media and not presenting facts. Every story has featured the following phrase:

"A white police officer shot an unarmed, black teen (or youth)." Followed by this picture:



When a more recent photo is this:


These are the first two images that show up when you type in "Michael Brown media photo." Tell me what's wrong with this? This is what one calls disgraceful journalism and whoever chose the first picture should be ashamed of themselves. Not saying the second picture is any better, because it paints the picture the complete opposite way, but there are plenty of images of him other than these two. Beginning to peel back the layers we see a bigger problem, lack of journalistic integrity.

Journalism being the dying field it is, is savage and ruthless. I was told to pursue it by some teachers, but elected not to. That said, I did see the underbelly of it and this is so common it is sad. How is this responsible reporting and going to help present the facts, not a side.

Go back to that statement that has been printed a million times, and then look at the pictures. The news chose a side and has been dumping gasoline on it since day one. Nobody is held responsible or challenges what is presented, part because this story is making them even richer, and also because if someone calls the power that be out for using that 10 year old picture, they are labeled a racist, bigot, and have their lives destroyed.

Facts are the most dangerous part to any story.
 
I don't know why the god damn quotes won't work right. I give up

joey said:
That m&ms analogy started as a feminist argument about trusting men and rape.

Its literally dreadful to tar any group with such a vile brush. People are not m&ms, they have feelings for a start.
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All of those messages and you jump on an M and M joke.

This highlights the nitpick problem. This is the issue in the first.[\quote]

Nitpicking? Not really. I've got no interest in entering the discussion because I don't know enough about it as a whole, but I wanted to comment on that terribly fallacious "joke" (a telling comment in itself to refer to your own analogy as a joke with hindsight) that I see springing up all too often of recent. And one that portrays its user in a gross light that you perhaps do not realise.

If its nitpicking for me to draw on it, then perhaps you should accept the fallacy and renounce it. :P

Oh and before anyone says if I don't know enough about the subject then shut up, I came in here to learn but instead found bigotry.
 
GuyWithAStick said:
Joey said:
I came in here to learn but instead found bigotry.
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This. Do we all have mortal enemies, or do some of us find this topic as an argument starter?

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There was no bigotry. It was a small excerpt of my post that you took completely out of context. There were other jokes, the whole thing was obviously light hearted and tongue in cheek.

And no I don't have enemies but there's a lot of people out there purposely trying to highlight themselves as enemies to this country and unfortunately most of them use religion as an excuse. Like I highlighted in every single post so far. Every argument I've posted has been quoted in such a way that you've just taken parts out of context to make it seem as though I've got a racial problem.

Like I said before I have no issues with skin colour and respectfully judge people on their skill set, intellect and how they contribute. If I feel as though religion gets in the way of people fully realising their potential in any of those fields then yes I have a problem with that as it's going against the very things we need to do for our species to survive and move forward.

Too many people complain about too many things. You can't cater to everyone. Like I highlighted in a previous post, human emotion has got to the point where it is out of hand. People get shocked and offended by the very smallest of things.

For example, smithy in this conversation saw an opportunity to jump on his high horse and fight the righteous battle on what he thought many would perceive as the 'good' side. When in actual fact we all though that religion is in a **** state and many people do not like it. Have many people got the bottle to bring it up? No! Have I got the bottle to bring it up on a public stage? Absolutely not! Does that mean that the issue doesn't exist? Still no!

For generation after generation people have been killed and wasted because they share different beliefs to others and I'm supposed to support the free choice of this?

Would people be ok with me smashing Joeys face in because he doesn't like Lord of the rings ans I do? Both are about as fictional as each other.
 
Chris Rock has done a cracking interview recently. It's worth reading all of it, but there's a lot he says about the state of race in the US. I think this brings home some of the points Snoo has made and hopefully it helps us in the UK understand the issue a little more.

Chris Rock Interview said:
One thing that was so exciting to many people, including you and me, when Obama got in was the hope, however delusional, that his election signaled some kind of racial progress in America. When, in fact, I don’t think there’s been much at all.

CR: Grown people, people over 30, they’re not changing. But you’ve got kids growing up.

Your own kids are all girls, right?

CR: All girls. I mean, I almost cry every day. I drop my kids off and watch them in the school with all these mostly white kids, and I got to tell you, I drill them every day: Did anything happen today? Did anybody say anything? They look at me like I am crazy.

And you think this change is generational? That maybe it has nothing to do with Obama?

CR: It’s partly generational, but it’s also my kids grew up not only with a black president but with a black secretary of State, a black joint chief of staff, a black attorney general. My children are going to be the first black children in the history of America to actually have the benefit of the doubt of just being moral, intelligent people.

I hope you’re right.

CR: But these things take a while. The Triborough Bridge has been called the Robert F. Kennedy for years now, and we’re still calling it the Triborough Bridge.

We still have some white people taking the Sarah Palin line about blacks and immigrants alike. They want to “take back the country”—and we know from whom. I find it depressing. The increments of change seem to be so much tinier than we wanted to believe when the Civil Rights Act passed 50 years ago, or when Obama was elected in 2008.

CR: Yeah. The stuff you’re talking about is pockets though. There’s always going to be people that don’t know that the war’s over. I’m more optimistic than you, but maybe it’s because I live the way I do. I just have a great life, so it’s easier for me to say things are great. But not even me. My brothers drive trucks and stock shelves. They live in a much better world than my father did. My mother tells stories of growing up in Andrews, South Carolina, and the black people had to go to the vet to get their teeth pulled out. And you still had to go to the back door, because if the white people knew the vet had used his instruments on black people, they wouldn’t take their pets to the vet. This is not some person I read about. This is my mother.
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The whole interview is here:
http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/chris-ro ... ation.html
 
mcgoughchris said:
Would people be ok with me smashing Joeys face in because he doesn't like Lord of the rings ans I do? Both are about as fictional as each other.
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People wouldn't be okay with others judging the entity of your race/the Lord of the Rings fan-group on the actions of you and a comparative handful of others, either. Which is the point you seem to miss.

People don't excuse violence like you seem to think they do, but they also won't tolerate tarring an entire group of individuals with the same brush. You don't seem to understand the difference between, for example, 1 Muslim identifying individual and the entire community. Yet you completely understand yourself as an individual. That is a problem. That is bigotry. And your comparisons and analogies and "jokes" all reek of the same stench which is why people are "nitpicking" at them.

Personally, I think religion should have no rights outside of the law. And it does. And that's a problem. Personally, I think it's weird and kind of rude to come to a country and not adapt to it's peculiarities. I know people related to me by marriage who's extended families live here and do not speak good enough English to ask me how I am. That's gross. You live here. But I also think, they're the one's suffering for their rudeness, so **** them. With regard to the law - For example, the whole Kosher and Halal thing bothers me because it is against the law to slaughter animals without first stunning them in the UK, UNLESS it's for religious reasons. No, that's not ok. If you choose to only have Kosher and Halal in a country where it is not deemed moral to allow animals to bleed to death, you need to be a vegetarian.

But this particular strain of discussion is not about religion. It's about judging people on their appearance by the actions of a minority. That is never ok. Ever.
 
Joey said:
mcgoughchris said:
Personally, I think religion should have no rights outside of the law. And it does. And that's a problem. Personally, I think it's weird and kind of rude to come to a country and not adapt to it's peculiarities. For example, the whole Kosher and Halal thing bothers me because it is against the law to slaughter animals without first stunning them in the UK, UNLESS it's for religious reasons. No, that's not ok. If you choose to only have Kosher and Halal in a country where it is not deemed moral, you need to be a vegetarian.
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Thank you for completely agreeing with my point Joey. I appreciate that someone is on my side
 
Ok so now we're on the same page. Every post I've made has been taken out of context and twisted.

So I'll word it again for you. Now I don't know if you're interpreting this wrong or nor but here we go.

Yes at this present time there's a clear difference between the thinking of a Muslim radical and your regular Muslim. How many of these radicals started out as normal people though.


And yes you can say that there's only been a handful of huge disasters and only X amount of lives lost due to religion.

Would it not be more sensible I'd that figure was 0 percent instead of 1 percent.

I mean if someone could come and explain to me the positives on how religion effects our society then I'd happily listen.

Can't we all agree that one 9/11 is too many

1 London bombings is too many

Religion serves no purpose in mainstream society. If you want to keep it to yourself and use it as a form of motivation to make you work harder and achieve more then that's fantastic! It never goes down that way though.

If that is me tarring an entire race with a negative brush then fair enough but call me stupid for having enough faith in human beings to believe that they can succeed on their own merit through their own intiative without having to seek help from a 'higher being'

Obviously I'm the one that lives in a fantasy world
 
Re quotes: You're double ending and using backwards slashes.

Joey's mostly right, however, his halal argument is wrong as all mainstream suppliers pre-stun before killing. But that's a debate for another time.
 
jj23w said:
I thought most meat was now Halal. I find Halal really nice you can't tell the difference.
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Christ!!!! This is not a conversation for you to get involved in Jordan! I like you mate but please
 
furie said:
Chris Rock has done a cracking interview recently. It's worth reading all of it, but there's a lot he says about the state of race in the US. I think this brings home some of the points Snoo has made and hopefully it helps us in the UK understand the issue a little more.

Chris Rock Interview said:
One thing that was so exciting to many people, including you and me, when Obama got in was the hope, however delusional, that his election signaled some kind of racial progress in America. When, in fact, I don’t think there’s been much at all.

CR: Grown people, people over 30, they’re not changing. But you’ve got kids growing up.

Your own kids are all girls, right?

CR: All girls. I mean, I almost cry every day. I drop my kids off and watch them in the school with all these mostly white kids, and I got to tell you, I drill them every day: Did anything happen today? Did anybody say anything? They look at me like I am crazy.

And you think this change is generational? That maybe it has nothing to do with Obama?

CR: It’s partly generational, but it’s also my kids grew up not only with a black president but with a black secretary of State, a black joint chief of staff, a black attorney general. My children are going to be the first black children in the history of America to actually have the benefit of the doubt of just being moral, intelligent people.

I hope you’re right.

CR: But these things take a while. The Triborough Bridge has been called the Robert F. Kennedy for years now, and we’re still calling it the Triborough Bridge.

We still have some white people taking the Sarah Palin line about blacks and immigrants alike. They want to “take back the country”—and we know from whom. I find it depressing. The increments of change seem to be so much tinier than we wanted to believe when the Civil Rights Act passed 50 years ago, or when Obama was elected in 2008.

CR: Yeah. The stuff you’re talking about is pockets though. There’s always going to be people that don’t know that the war’s over. I’m more optimistic than you, but maybe it’s because I live the way I do. I just have a great life, so it’s easier for me to say things are great. But not even me. My brothers drive trucks and stock shelves. They live in a much better world than my father did. My mother tells stories of growing up in Andrews, South Carolina, and the black people had to go to the vet to get their teeth pulled out. And you still had to go to the back door, because if the white people knew the vet had used his instruments on black people, they wouldn’t take their pets to the vet. This is not some person I read about. This is my mother.
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The whole interview is here:
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He is usually spot on. He basically has said America is taking the next step, its just tough for older generations to let go. From my white middle income view I would agree with him. We are constantly progressing, but a few old timers on both end are keeping us in the 50's.
 
nealbie said:
Re quotes: You're double ending and using backwards slashes.

Joey's mostly right, however, his halal argument is wrong as all mainstream suppliers pre-stun before killing. But that's a debate for another time.
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Yep 90% of kosher and halal in the uk is killed using stun as well. They stun then slit the throat.

Yes there is 10% that's not killed using stun but it's not just kosher and halal that is guilty of this. The 10% is made up by private firms providing meat for the ultra religious and people who do not believe in stunning animals.

The main difference now days is the animals are kept separate from standard meat to make sure they do not eat anything that is against the religions.

It just shows how much the press only ever give one view.
 
jj23w said:
I thought most meat was now Halal. I find Halal really nice you can't tell the difference.
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This is so dumb.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I feel dumber from reading it.

You are just, beyond.
 
I know especially if he thinks it tastes almost exactly the same as normal meat lol its got to be the most disappointing invention ever
 
Neal - I thought stunning was against halal and kosher practise? But thanks for the info, I trust you given the other half! ;)

The quotes I kept editing but my phone was ignoring the edit. Tapa talk glitch I guess.
 
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