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Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
That depends how you look at it tbh.
By adding a new coaster the park attracts more people etc so they are doing their job and I don't really see a need to be grateful
We go there whatever, I am just happy they did not turn the tent into a silly cheap dark ride or walk through attraction.
It might turn out to be ok or it could be like 13 do it twice and leave it for a few years, who knows we have a year to find out.
If people want to complain let them complain if people want to praise it then let them praise it. Everyone is entitled to freedom of speech and their views unless they are being totally stupid lol.
As long as its themed well and rides well I really don't care, I just don't want another Saw/Speed/Rage, Alton needs a new top line coaster the last one they got was so long ago for a park thats meant to be the best in the country. I just hope its not another Saw/Speed/Rage where after a year or so they are not nice to ride.
That depends how you look at it tbh.
By adding a new coaster the park attracts more people etc so they are doing their job and I don't really see a need to be grateful
We go there whatever, I am just happy they did not turn the tent into a silly cheap dark ride or walk through attraction.It might turn out to be ok or it could be like 13 do it twice and leave it for a few years, who knows we have a year to find out.
If people want to complain let them complain if people want to praise it then let them praise it. Everyone is entitled to freedom of speech and their views unless they are being totally stupid lol.
As long as its themed well and rides well I really don't care, I just don't want another Saw/Speed/Rage, Alton needs a new top line coaster the last one they got was so long ago for a park thats meant to be the best in the country. I just hope its not another Saw/Speed/Rage where after a year or so they are not nice to ride.
Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
Urgh, when people say "be grateful" I want to stab them in the face.
Parks don't exist out of the goodness of their hearts. They don't sit there struggling in poverty to give us an experience. They sit there in their piles of money counting how much they made that year.
We shouldn't be "grateful" a buisness is trying to get money out of us by offering a product we don't really like. And if we want to moan about it and give them less buisness when it opens (like with Th13teen - only bothered going for it once, if it was, say, good, it would be a lot more than that), then that's our right as consumers.
Urgh, when people say "be grateful" I want to stab them in the face.
Parks don't exist out of the goodness of their hearts. They don't sit there struggling in poverty to give us an experience. They sit there in their piles of money counting how much they made that year.
We shouldn't be "grateful" a buisness is trying to get money out of us by offering a product we don't really like. And if we want to moan about it and give them less buisness when it opens (like with Th13teen - only bothered going for it once, if it was, say, good, it would be a lot more than that), then that's our right as consumers.
Lofty
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Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
BEN, the symbolises I was taking the piss about the whole "Grateful Aspect" to it...
I'd be grateful if they gave me a free Annual Pass, adding a new coaster, I'll be happy, not grateful. Yes, I know how business works and what fortune a successful company can be earning, you don't need to explain that fact to me...
BEN, the
symbolises I was taking the piss about the whole "Grateful Aspect" to it...I'd be grateful if they gave me a free Annual Pass, adding a new coaster, I'll be happy, not grateful. Yes, I know how business works and what fortune a successful company can be earning, you don't need to explain that fact to me...
Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
Yet the public think it's utterly fantastic. People even say Baco is good, so there must be something in it (I class it as a form of madness).
Maybe now Gerstlauer are further down the "large install" path, they've got the niggles out of their manufacturing process?
As I say, I don't care. I think Saw looks excellent, it's a great coaster to watch and I'll be happy to watch everyone else enjoying this while I (the one with impeccable taste) laugh and re-ride Oblivion
Who knows, it may be good, but it will undoubtedly look magnificent whatever and that's what I like.
Yet the public think it's utterly fantastic. People even say Baco is good, so there must be something in it (I class it as a form of madness).
Maybe now Gerstlauer are further down the "large install" path, they've got the niggles out of their manufacturing process?
As I say, I don't care. I think Saw looks excellent, it's a great coaster to watch and I'll be happy to watch everyone else enjoying this while I (the one with impeccable taste) laugh and re-ride Oblivion
Who knows, it may be good, but it will undoubtedly look magnificent whatever and that's what I like.
Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
The problem with Saw and the others I mentioned is just how rough they are, I chose not to ride Saw its just not worth it.
The in door section is good as it does very little but the outside section is just rough and the layout just does not thrill me, it's not worth the pain to be honest.
People who rode the one at plopsaland in opening year went back last year and said that had not aged well either.
As said this maybe good who knows.
The problem with Saw and the others I mentioned is just how rough they are, I chose not to ride Saw its just not worth it.
The in door section is good as it does very little but the outside section is just rough and the layout just does not thrill me, it's not worth the pain to be honest.
People who rode the one at plopsaland in opening year went back last year and said that had not aged well either.
As said this maybe good who knows.
Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
Where I find fault with Saw is the fact that it produces virtually no force. The indoor bit is good and so is the drop, but the layout is just so lacklustre. It's just silent and you can't really feel anything. I don't find it rough, just seriously lacking force.
As far as this ride is concerned, it seems that the layout itself prevents this from being the case. As UC says, the uniqueness of this layout has enough to be the selling point itself. However, I don't think Saw necessarily would look the same as any of the other larger Eurofighters without its theming. I just think it's generally lacking. Speed is really forceful so maybe Gerstlauer thought they had to take it the other way?
Where I find fault with Saw is the fact that it produces virtually no force. The indoor bit is good and so is the drop, but the layout is just so lacklustre. It's just silent and you can't really feel anything. I don't find it rough, just seriously lacking force.
As far as this ride is concerned, it seems that the layout itself prevents this from being the case. As UC says, the uniqueness of this layout has enough to be the selling point itself. However, I don't think Saw necessarily would look the same as any of the other larger Eurofighters without its theming. I just think it's generally lacking. Speed is really forceful so maybe Gerstlauer thought they had to take it the other way?
spicy
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Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
If it is a Gerst it will still be a unique experience at the towers anyway. In fact it's quite strange for a park of Altons calibre to not have a sit down multi looping coaster, this is that coaster.
It's not going to have the Eurofighter trains though in my opinion, just based on the first lift hill. There has never been a Eurofighter with a standard lift hill climb, I know this has a vertical lift too, but I am going to say this will have a new train style.
If it is a Gerst it will still be a unique experience at the towers anyway. In fact it's quite strange for a park of Altons calibre to not have a sit down multi looping coaster, this is that coaster.
It's not going to have the Eurofighter trains though in my opinion, just based on the first lift hill. There has never been a Eurofighter with a standard lift hill climb, I know this has a vertical lift too, but I am going to say this will have a new train style.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
From what I gather, the public really like Saw. I think a lot of people mistake roughness and uncomfortability for forcefullness. Maybe that sounds arrogant, but it must be true. We want rides to be comfortable because we go on them a lot and their forces don't really faze us anymore.
If this has lapbars like the rumour says then that will be massively improved from an enthusiast standpoint, but honestly I think that rumour is just based on that concept art that uses a picture of Wicked.
Speed IS forceful, but it's not good force. The problem with Eurofighters is their massive inconsistency and inability to maintain quality throughout the layout. They pick up speed insanely fast, but they loose it just as fast. They are great all the while they go up and down, but you send them even slightly to the side or round an inversion and they are absolutely VILE.
Mystery Mine was a better ride than I expected, especially the exciting finali, but my hopes for it were far from high. Like Saw, it is carried by it's theme. Take that away and you have a really crap ride.
Hence why I'm quite worried about SW7. It's not got an immersive theme, it's pulling the minimalistic Oblivion approach. (We assume from the plans.) That's great if you have quality hardware behind it, but when you don't? Yeah I'm worried.
Will the public love it though? Probably. Which is really all that matters.
From what I gather, the public really like Saw. I think a lot of people mistake roughness and uncomfortability for forcefullness. Maybe that sounds arrogant, but it must be true. We want rides to be comfortable because we go on them a lot and their forces don't really faze us anymore.
If this has lapbars like the rumour says then that will be massively improved from an enthusiast standpoint, but honestly I think that rumour is just based on that concept art that uses a picture of Wicked.
Speed IS forceful, but it's not good force. The problem with Eurofighters is their massive inconsistency and inability to maintain quality throughout the layout. They pick up speed insanely fast, but they loose it just as fast. They are great all the while they go up and down, but you send them even slightly to the side or round an inversion and they are absolutely VILE.
Mystery Mine was a better ride than I expected, especially the exciting finali, but my hopes for it were far from high. Like Saw, it is carried by it's theme. Take that away and you have a really crap ride.
Hence why I'm quite worried about SW7. It's not got an immersive theme, it's pulling the minimalistic Oblivion approach. (We assume from the plans.) That's great if you have quality hardware behind it, but when you don't? Yeah I'm worried.
Will the public love it though? Probably. Which is really all that matters.
nadroJ
CF Legend
Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
I think we've become kind of conditioned to be let down by Merlin, and us British like to moan about things and expect the worst, so the two kind of go hand in hand.
However, with their most recent offering being The Swarm, I do believe they're finally learning (or re-realising) their lesson and are starting to be good at what they do again.
As always, all we can do is wait and see, which the British will interpret as moan and disregard anything that sounds remotely good =].
I think we've become kind of conditioned to be let down by Merlin, and us British like to moan about things and expect the worst, so the two kind of go hand in hand.
However, with their most recent offering being The Swarm, I do believe they're finally learning (or re-realising) their lesson and are starting to be good at what they do again.
As always, all we can do is wait and see, which the British will interpret as moan and disregard anything that sounds remotely good =].
Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
I'll admit it wasn't glass smooth, and perhaps I was sat in a good seat.. But I thought the inside section was ace, the first little drop really took me by surprise! Vertical lifts really scare me, and the outside section whilst short is really frantic and disorientating! A good solid little ride.
If this turns out to be a Gerstlauer then i'll be very happy!
I'll admit it wasn't glass smooth, and perhaps I was sat in a good seat.. But I thought the inside section was ace, the first little drop really took me by surprise! Vertical lifts really scare me, and the outside section whilst short is really frantic and disorientating! A good solid little ride.
If this turns out to be a Gerstlauer then i'll be very happy!
SaiyanHajime
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Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
Actually UCs last post has a lot of weight to it. He's right about all the points.
I think we need to stop thinking of this as a Eurofighter. Even if it is a Gerstlaurer. The problem is that all 4 Eurofighters I've done are pretty damn terrible. It has no beyond vertical drop, and if it does have longer trains, lapbars and a launch it'll be different enough to be a different ride type really. What does it have in common with Eurofighters, other than a vertical lift?
I don't undersand how you guys cannot find Saw uncomfortable, I really don't get it.
The little drop inside is the ride highlight, and then it goes downhill from there. Some days it's okay, but for the most part it's a clumsy ride that falls about the track. It vibrates like crazy, it shudders side to side and it forces you in directions your body really doesn't want to go. There's no flow, it's frustratingly erratic, has no force, nor is it even visually interesting once you leave the lift.
On a good day when it's running well Saw is a meh-decent ride, but it's carried by it's delightful inside queue, station and dark ride section. Some days I do rather enjoy it, but I'm now incredibly wary of riding it due to the sheer number of times it's left me regretting it.
Actually UCs last post has a lot of weight to it. He's right about all the points.
I think we need to stop thinking of this as a Eurofighter. Even if it is a Gerstlaurer. The problem is that all 4 Eurofighters I've done are pretty damn terrible. It has no beyond vertical drop, and if it does have longer trains, lapbars and a launch it'll be different enough to be a different ride type really. What does it have in common with Eurofighters, other than a vertical lift?
I don't undersand how you guys cannot find Saw uncomfortable, I really don't get it.
The little drop inside is the ride highlight, and then it goes downhill from there. Some days it's okay, but for the most part it's a clumsy ride that falls about the track. It vibrates like crazy, it shudders side to side and it forces you in directions your body really doesn't want to go. There's no flow, it's frustratingly erratic, has no force, nor is it even visually interesting once you leave the lift.
On a good day when it's running well Saw is a meh-decent ride, but it's carried by it's delightful inside queue, station and dark ride section. Some days I do rather enjoy it, but I'm now incredibly wary of riding it due to the sheer number of times it's left me regretting it.
Ethan
Strata Poster
Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
Just like the Saw movies then...
I have to agree though. Every time a stumble off that coaster my head has bruises and feels three times as heavy as it was before. Eurgh I just hate it now.
Are they re-theming it after the end of this season?
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Just like the Saw movies then...
I have to agree though. Every time a stumble off that coaster my head has bruises and feels three times as heavy as it was before. Eurgh I just hate it now.
Are they re-theming it after the end of this season?
rollermonkey
Strata Poster
Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
Is Saw so horrible?
I liked Speed: No Limits, and thought it was good fun.
Mystery Mine is decent, as are Spongebob and Untamed. Typhoon, I didn't like as much as Speed, but it wasn't horrible.
I've not been beaten by the restraints on any of them. Is Saw just a bad build, or does it get a $hitty rap because Thorpe Geeks were mad about the poorly handled opening?
Is Saw so horrible?
I liked Speed: No Limits, and thought it was good fun.
Mystery Mine is decent, as are Spongebob and Untamed. Typhoon, I didn't like as much as Speed, but it wasn't horrible.
I've not been beaten by the restraints on any of them. Is Saw just a bad build, or does it get a $hitty rap because Thorpe Geeks were mad about the poorly handled opening?
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Re: Alton Towers | SW7 | Unknown (Gestlauer?) World's 1st
If we're just counting from the start of the lift till the brakes, I think Saw is the most brutal of the 4 I've riden, yes. But that might also be because I ride it several times I year, and so I've seen it at it's worst, and best, and know that it's more often bad than it is good.
I've been on Speed on 3 separate visits and I have liked it less each time. This seems to be pretty much the norm with Eurofighters. The more you go on them, the less you like them.
Mystery Mine has a terrible first half... It doesn't do anything and it's brutal. It looks bad and it rides bad. The second half is much better. In fact that's one of the best coaster finalis I've done. Again, my first ride I was lke "oh this is much better than I thought it would be" and by the end of the day I wanted to have nothing more to do with it.
Rage isn't worth mentioning because it's void of interest.
If we're just counting from the start of the lift till the brakes, I think Saw is the most brutal of the 4 I've riden, yes. But that might also be because I ride it several times I year, and so I've seen it at it's worst, and best, and know that it's more often bad than it is good.
I've been on Speed on 3 separate visits and I have liked it less each time. This seems to be pretty much the norm with Eurofighters. The more you go on them, the less you like them.
Mystery Mine has a terrible first half... It doesn't do anything and it's brutal. It looks bad and it rides bad. The second half is much better. In fact that's one of the best coaster finalis I've done. Again, my first ride I was lke "oh this is much better than I thought it would be" and by the end of the day I wanted to have nothing more to do with it.
Rage isn't worth mentioning because it's void of interest.
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