What do you think of Flying Turns?
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insanecoastervids
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I did not ride it but it looks fine
Of course it isn't going to be that good of a roller coaster. That is not the point of this ride.
It is a point to prove that it is still possible to build classic wooden coasters in a world of massive steel roller coasters. For that, Flying Turns is an awesome roller coaster.
It is a point to prove that it is still possible to build classic wooden coasters in a world of massive steel roller coasters. For that, Flying Turns is an awesome roller coaster.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
When I said this in the other topic it was ripped apart.Hyde244 said:
Whilst I fully respect the efforts involved with this ride and am truly glad it happened as someone generally interested in the industry, let's, without getting caught up in personal passions, question this objectively, what is the point?[\i]
Why does it matter that its still possible (barely, let's note) to build something like this? It's still possible to do loads of old-fashioned impractical things, but we don't - unless, UNLESS, there's some quality to it or reason lost in the modern way, valuable enough to warrent the efforts.
So what is it about Flying Turns that is so valuable, in its original idea? The outcome itself is a whole different matter. There are so few bobsleigh coasters to start with - because they aren't very good - so why recreate an old fashioned one that realistically has even less hope of being good? Honestly?
And whatt of the public? Do they even care[\i]?
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When something is created as a piece of personal, passionate design, it's impossible to judge it objectively.
Dick Knoebel wanted to recreate it because he had fond memories of riding oen and really wanted to see one made. He had the room, money, expertise, passion and perfect location to do that.
It gives the park a "working museum piece".
Remember, I used to do "medieval reenactment". People spending their own time and money to "recreate" medieval times. We used medieval materials and techniques to make clothing and equipment. Then we'd spend weekends putting it on display for the public to see.
Why? What is the point? Objectively it achieves nothing. The public wouldn't know a medieval hand stitch from a machine stitch. Very few public ever turned up. The materials and techniques meant everything took ages and cost a fortune - yet you could go to the Leeds armoury or somewhere and see the real thing in a glass case. Or look at pictures. Why, other than passion and obsession from reenactors would anybody do it (you don't even get paid)?
It's because you have to opportunity to recreate the past in a real way for people to see. By actually doing it, you learn something about history and the way people did things. Yes, nobody wears doublet and hose any more, but you can't actually understand the purpose of a codpiece until you've worn one. Suddenly, the pictures make sense. The way people acted and behaved makes sense once you have the history living and breathing.
It's that old "why did you climb the mountain?" thing... "Because it's what I enjoy doing..." is the answer.
Knoebels have a new attraction which - even with piss poor throughput - is completely unique to them. It's an attraction which fits perfectly in their "historical park" presentation. It's given Dick Knoebel a hobby for five years and a sense of satisfaction that he could achieve something which had been lost.
Of course it's passion over anything else, but that's art, that's history. It serves no purpose in the real world except to satisfy those with a love of things beautiful or things lost. Though in this case, people can experience it too.
So no, I can't give a reason objectively, because there simply isn't one. Nobody anywhere else in the world would make the business decision to do this - it's not a commercial project. It's all about passion and "because I wanted to".
I'm glad that people are willing to do that, rather than just do the same as everyone else.
Dick Knoebel wanted to recreate it because he had fond memories of riding oen and really wanted to see one made. He had the room, money, expertise, passion and perfect location to do that.
It gives the park a "working museum piece".
Remember, I used to do "medieval reenactment". People spending their own time and money to "recreate" medieval times. We used medieval materials and techniques to make clothing and equipment. Then we'd spend weekends putting it on display for the public to see.
Why? What is the point? Objectively it achieves nothing. The public wouldn't know a medieval hand stitch from a machine stitch. Very few public ever turned up. The materials and techniques meant everything took ages and cost a fortune - yet you could go to the Leeds armoury or somewhere and see the real thing in a glass case. Or look at pictures. Why, other than passion and obsession from reenactors would anybody do it (you don't even get paid)?
It's because you have to opportunity to recreate the past in a real way for people to see. By actually doing it, you learn something about history and the way people did things. Yes, nobody wears doublet and hose any more, but you can't actually understand the purpose of a codpiece until you've worn one. Suddenly, the pictures make sense. The way people acted and behaved makes sense once you have the history living and breathing.
It's that old "why did you climb the mountain?" thing... "Because it's what I enjoy doing..." is the answer.
Knoebels have a new attraction which - even with piss poor throughput - is completely unique to them. It's an attraction which fits perfectly in their "historical park" presentation. It's given Dick Knoebel a hobby for five years and a sense of satisfaction that he could achieve something which had been lost.
Of course it's passion over anything else, but that's art, that's history. It serves no purpose in the real world except to satisfy those with a love of things beautiful or things lost. Though in this case, people can experience it too.
So no, I can't give a reason objectively, because there simply isn't one. Nobody anywhere else in the world would make the business decision to do this - it's not a commercial project. It's all about passion and "because I wanted to".
I'm glad that people are willing to do that, rather than just do the same as everyone else.
caffeine_demon
Strata Poster
Hyde244 said:
I think that's a pretty harsh comment, it looks a great family ride!
Snoo
The Legend
Let's be fair here.. most of us don't go to parks to ride 'family' rides caffeine.
I do agree with Hyde's comment however. I don't think it will be my favorite but, much like Lost Coaster of Superstition Mountain at Indiana Beach, I think it will be unique and fantastic for what it does. Could it be good? Maybe. Will it? Probably not.
I do agree with Hyde's comment however. I don't think it will be my favorite but, much like Lost Coaster of Superstition Mountain at Indiana Beach, I think it will be unique and fantastic for what it does. Could it be good? Maybe. Will it? Probably not.
Youngster Joey
Strata Poster
Snoo said:
When it will inevitably be compared To La Vibora
^ Bingo.
There are simply better bobsled roller coasters. Such as, dare I say, Disaster Transport?
The greatness of this roller coaster does not stem from the ride experience. It stems from the fact that it is being built over 80 years after the first namesake "Flying Turns" wooden bobsleds were built.
We have seen this similar nostalgia with recreated wooden coaster layouts, such as various renditions of Cyclones or [Insert Name] Park Bobs.
As the movie "The Artist" won the Academy Awards for recanting black and white silent films, so too shall Flying Turns receive praise for not being new, but being a refreshing reminder.
There are simply better bobsled roller coasters. Such as, dare I say, Disaster Transport?
The greatness of this roller coaster does not stem from the ride experience. It stems from the fact that it is being built over 80 years after the first namesake "Flying Turns" wooden bobsleds were built.
We have seen this similar nostalgia with recreated wooden coaster layouts, such as various renditions of Cyclones or [Insert Name] Park Bobs.
As the movie "The Artist" won the Academy Awards for recanting black and white silent films, so too shall Flying Turns receive praise for not being new, but being a refreshing reminder.
Youngster Joey
Strata Poster
Hyde244 said:
And at the very least it looks like it will be fun, and at the end of the day isn't that all that matters?
Youngster Joey
Strata Poster
^I thought what mattered was whether or not you've ridden Cedar Creek Mine Ride
sparky2u
Mega Poster
It looks an amazing ride & good on the park in building one. :--D
It's so strange when "Flying Turns" coasters were built in the early 1900's they did not have any computers / 3D CAD etc to help design n construct it, but now-days with all of our tech we still find it so difficult to make old things work properly.
It's so strange when "Flying Turns" coasters were built in the early 1900's they did not have any computers / 3D CAD etc to help design n construct it, but now-days with all of our tech we still find it so difficult to make old things work properly.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
That's cool 'en all, but this isn't a personal thing. It's made for the public. And that's the problem here. And that's what I've been saying. People have been praising this thing continuously.furie said:
Someone on twitter mentioned to me that "whats the difference between Flying Turns and Main Street USA, other than at least I can ride Flying Turns" and I guess they have a point.
So what? Who cares? Serious question. How many visitors to Knoebles don't only care but were inticed there by that promise? I'm going to guess a tiny minority. Kneobles survives on local trade who've been enjoying that place for generations. It's unique. It wouldn't matter what the park did. And Flying Turns delayed opening might have, if anything, been good because it got people interested and talking about something they'd otherwise have accepted as "that other coaster there that isn't as good as Phoenix". At pretty much any other park, it would have been TERRIBLE PR, but at Knoebles it's not. Same with their floods. Knoebles is just weird in the first place and they make their own rules. That's awesome - but is it critically good? I'm not sure.
Yes but, "why are Merlin's only original ideas all horror themes" - "because Candy Holland likes horror" is a common criticism on these forums, from yourself. What's the difference?
The difference is it's Knoebles and they can, apparently, do no wrong.
What I first suggested this ride will probably not be that great people acted like I'd said some unholy unspeakable thing. I'm glad to see Hyde and Snoo, at least, have the same opinion though.
Joey said:
It's been made available for the public to ride, to experience Dick's vision and creation.
It's like asking why somebody praises Tracey Emin's Tent. It's only available for the public to look at, they can't even go camping in it - why did she create it? If it was just for herself, why make it available for the public to view?
Essentially...
Joey said:
Joey said:
I'll cover this in one word - laziness
The project was hard. The project required new skills to be forged and new ways of doing things. All done by people people with more passion than experience (in this particular field).
People care because it's a piece of workmanship. It's like asking why people would want a hand crafted dining room set made from hand sawn oak, rather than an Ikea self assembly job. The difference is very clear, to anyone visiting. Knoebels make a big deal about their history and they make themselves a very "local character". So that's why people care, it's because they're doing something hard and they're doing something with care and love.
Merlin are just slapping as cheap a horror façade on as cheap a bit of ride device as they can get away with.
Joey said:
I don't know how much wrong they can or cant do. I just know that Flying Turns is "a good thing".
Joey said:
I don't think anyone was ever convinced it was going to be a great ride were they? I've certainly openly said it'll be nothing special to ride. It's a wonderful bit of workmanship which people can also happen to ride on. It's like a gorgeously restored carousel, the ride is dull, but it can be wonderful to ride just because it's so lovely.
therick311
Mega Poster
Is there something wrong with a coaster simply being fun? Not every coaster has be better than the last.Joey said:
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Oh no, not this rhetoric again.therick311 said:
There's an issue if "fun" isn't as fun as it should be.
What does "great" mean if not "fun"?
Just stop. It's patronising to the ride itself and everyone's opinion of it when you go "it might not be good but it's still fun". What does that even mean?