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Wow. the themeing does look good.
Why are they so obsessed with giving the Sealife centres in the parks ORP's? :?
 
Pardon my ignorance, but, is it still an upcharge? I haven't been following too closely (it's an attraction based on ****ing fish in a theme park, you aint Sea World Merlin, give it up).

If not, yay, awesome.

If so, **** it, it best be bloody good looking if I'm paying out the arse for it. Doesn't look amazing or anything, but, quite good.
 
Haha, sharks are awesome, but as Ben said, if they're going to charge for it, that's ridiculous. I wouldn't pay extra to see a bunch of sealife I've already seen at Seaworld.
 
It must be free to get in.
How do I know?

Coaster enthusiasts are cheap, and those pictures were taken by an enthusiast.

Wooh...

At least, I hope it's free.

Ben said:
you aint Sea World Merlin, give it up

So thats why Merlin are the second biggest amusement chain in the world?
You do know that it's the Sea Life centers that bring in most of the money for Merlin.
 
Some people need to get out the UK and see what a good sea life thing looks like. Again Merlin can get away with it over here, but in other countries they would not.

This one looks ok but I have one at the end of my road that looks just as good.

Again though with these things going in just about every park people will get bored and I dont think its good value. How many times would people ride a coaster and how many time will people visit this. A coaster or ride has long life this has maybe 1 or 2 visits.

Merlin are the 2nd biggest in terms of income, but that does not make them the 2nd best by a long way!

For me Merlin are the Ryanair of the theme park industry.
 
I wouldn't go as far as Ryanair as Merlin are owned by Blackstone, who (if I remember correctly) own the Universal chain. I'd say more easyjet. lol

Question to you Marc, is the Sea Life down the road from you a Merlin one?
 
Tbh though, we are NOT another country, I aint comparing to something that isn't easy accessible, that's just plain stupid.
Why does everyone look for negative in everything?

And yes it is free, comes with park entrance, maybe in winter they will charge people for a few things in one go.
Also the website has had a nice update.

http://www.altontowers.com/
 
Nope its owned by the person that owns Adventure Island.

And yes I know who owns Merlin so they should be doing a better job.

Chris its just my view on it, I dont think it looks amazing thats all it looks no better than what I have 2 mins walk away as I have said.

And due to the fact people dont complain they keep doing it and giving us 2nd rate attractions thats what I am getting at.

Anyway I am sure it will do well and families will like it.

But lets look at the 2 new Merlin attractions Sea life thing I have one just as good. Saw oh I have one of them as well 2 mins away. Well done Merlin you can do no better than Southend, and thats what I am getting at :)

Anyway enough from me now can not be bothered having to justify my views cause I dont think something is great.
 
2nd Rate?
I can't say 2nd rate at all, compare Chessington's sealife to Altons Sealife, I would say Chessington got the short straw and got a 2nd rate attraction.

I'd also state that Saw whilst maybe not amazing from what others have seen, it is still some of the best themeing in the UK. Along with Tidal Wave.
 
Look a Sea Life Center is a Sea Life Center, does it have fish yes. I really dont go to a theme park to ride a Sea Life Center. For kids and families its great, for me its not I even get bored walking around Sea World. I also liked the one in London btw I do like sea life and love animals.

Does the one in Southend have sharks, yes. Does the one in Southend have fish, yes. So I dont have to drive 200 miles to see these things.

I have already given my views on the Saw theming and tomorrow I hope to give even more. A lot of people are not impressed with the theming anyway.

I am not going to keep going on about this as its boring tbh. If people like it great if people dont then thats their view on it. This would not make me rush to Alton a new coaster or thrill ride would make me go.

Just cause you like it and I dont does not make either of us wrong :)

I guess I am just spoilt by the USA, Germany, France etc.
 
Screaming Coasters said:
Ben said:
you aint Sea World Merlin, give it up

So thats why Merlin are the second biggest amusement chain in the world?
You do know that it's the Sea Life centers that bring in most of the money for Merlin.

Amusement. Not amusement park. This is where the difference lies for me. If I wanted to go to a Sealife Centre, I would. Someone who doesn't like fish and finds them dull (ME!) wouldn't go and thus it doesn't impress me when I have to sit through Merlin sticking ****tier versions of attractions that weren't any good to start with in the rest of their places. What's next? A hall of waxworks at every park?

Oh, and Saw theming isn't impressive if you've left the country. Maybe we shouldn't compare, but, when you see other countries having it so much better, don't you feel a little bit short changed?
 
Ben your last point is what I am getting at as well. I do feel short changed.

Even a small park like Plopsaland that is closer to me than Alton Towers have better theming. So if a small company can do these things why can Merlin not?

And as for Tidal Wave that gas fire thing has not worked in years.

God this topic has now gone way off topic.
 
In my eyes all this Sealife malarky is just another example of how far Merlin are pushing the brands that existed before they took a majority share in the Tussauds Group. It is quite clear where the money is directed... wouldn't surprise me if we start to see Legoland Explorer Centres appearing in all the other parks too.

And I really do wish that people would stop using this as an argument....

Screaming Coasters said:
So thats why Merlin are the second biggest amusement chain in the world?

Yes Erol they are, I totally agree, but there is still an 84 Million guests a year difference between the first place Disney (116,500,000) and Merlin (32,100,000) with Universal only a further 6 million behind that so in essence it is a null point. Even more so considering the number of attractions that Merlin holds in comparison to other said companies. Furthermore, not a single Merlin attraction features in the Top 25 attractions worldwide or even the Top 10 attractions in Europe. Quite clearly the fact that they are 2nd means very little. They are not EVER going to even make a scratch on the Disney company until they start behaving as such. Until they put the similar amount of storytelling and creative effort in that Disney do, it is never going to be a contest. And yes, Disney do have a heck of a lot more money at their command, but it didn't always start that way. Disneyland CA still holds some of the most exquisitely themed rides they have had since it's early years, where the money was never quite so free flowing (per say). So yes, 2nd they might be, but 2nd they will probably stay... for a very long time at least. Unless they begin to falter behind the strengthening Universal and Six Flags efforts... Of course this is quite possible IF they accquire the Busch parks, but this is looking more unlikely now as their is strong belief that the Parques Reunidos group is to get them.

So, back on topic... Sealife might be the biggest earner for Merlin but to me that is sheerly because of the number of the Sealife attractions they own. So in a round about way, no Merlin are not Seaworld, and I doubt very much they will be. (Unless of course they got their hands on them since they are currently for sale... upon which we may even see a swift name change but that is unlikely...)

The Sealife Centres in parks only serves as a great way of showing a small glimpse of what the full centres have to offer. Nothing more, nothing less. Do I think it looks any good. Well, I am going to reserve judgement until I see it for real, as I have found with many attractions of late, pictures can be very misleading and they build such high hopes to only let you down with a severe lack of atmosphere and coherence of design.

Yes I am aware that I have been clearly spoilt by the likes of Disney and Universal in themed experiences so I may be a little harsher on Merlin but the way I see it, if you want to boast about being the 2nd best and play with the big boys, you have to behave that way. To me, a small Sealife attraction in each park is hardy a massive contribution to seeing this goal actualized.

(Figures taken from the 2007 attendance figures published in Park World, May 2008 - I don't think the 08 figures have been released yet, which I am very interested to see btw, I imagine that we will see them in May of this year accordingly)
 
Look at it like this then.

Merlin Sea Life Center, Universal adds Harry Potter says it all really :)

You can bet next year Universal will over take Merlin.
 
southend_marc said:
Look at it like this then.

Merlin Sea Life Center, Universal adds Harry Potter says it all really :)

You can bet next year Universal will over take Merlin.

Possibly yes, considering the upswing in the number of new features Universal are adding across their group...

Aswell as Harry Potter land there is the Rip Rocket thing and also in Universal Hollywood and Hong Kong, Transformers... Two of which are mahoosive brands in their own right. There is also a rumoured Universal Studios park being developed for Beijing that is very close to getting planning permission (according to First Drop).

What have Merlin done....
Purchased a Sealife style attraction in Minnesota.
Added Sealife attractions.
Added Saw.
Rumoured to be adding a Dungeons attraction to Warwick Castle.

Sealife additions, simply put, WILL NOT cut the mustard...
 
Universal have more money to a certain extent, Disney is a well known brand. All over the world. Alton Towers aint exactly known all over the world, why should it be?
Disney are known by characters, films etc.
Universal can afford huge rights from big films, such as Harry Potter, etc.
Also Disney, Universal etc have less attractions meaning they can afford this sort of thing.

Legoland discovery centres won't happen at merlin attractions. Trafford Centre is getting one, though.
 
Ah, but as Erol so rightly pointed out, Merlin are the 2nd largest company. Therefore they MUST have a certain amount of money and brand power, without even taking into account the fact that Blackstone have a stake in both Merlin and Universal. Therefore money can't be that much of an issue.

The fact that both Disney and Universal have less attractions only furthers my point. What I am getting at is the fact that Merlin have a lot more attractions, which should actually suggest they have a great number of attendance figures and therefore, great profit margins. And as you so rightly pointed out, "Universal etc. have less attractions" yet they still managing to pull in just under 6 million of what Merlin is.

My main point to Erol, is (and was, as I stated in the first place) that I am tired of hearing the "Merlin are the 2nd largest group in the world" argument, because in MY view, it is a very very flawed argument, for the exact reasons you have pointed out Chris. Disney and Universal are far more powerful companies. So to argue that Merlin is the 2nd Largest and imply that makes them anywhere close to the likes of Disney and Universal, or more to the point, even Seaworld, as that was what Erol was originally making reference to, is just ludicrous.

You only have to look at the style and execution of the groups comparitvely to see that Merlin have a long way to go and therefore I say again, I (personally, my view, not necessarily anyone elses) don't think that Sharkbait Reef is that wonderful an attraction addition at all judging by those pictures (I will reserve full judgment until I see it in the flesh - again, as I pointed out).

I certainly don't agree with your statement that it looks "amazing". Not when I have visited much better at Seaworld and also visited a very equal experience in my own town. Equally, Not when Merlin should and could be capable of so much more.
 
On the other end of the scale, the Sea-Life at Chessie brought in many new guests last year, hence using the brands can also be a good thing...

Thing is a Sea-Life at Chessie can be gotten away with because of the zoo, Alton I really don't know... They just about still have a farm for example, Sea-Life really doesn't add anything special to the park or expands on what already exists (i.e. the zoo at Chessie)...

The gate figure improvement can be reasoned for with one of two things, both relating to Sea-Life, in my view it was because either:
A - It was a new attraction
B - It was because it was a Sea-Life

I'm not sure what it's done to the Legoland's where the Atlantis Sea-Life's have been added to them, but obviously time will tell on Alton...
 
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