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Immelmann - Dive Loop
- Thread starter Martyn B
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Could be... I do wish somebody would create a list of the coaster inversions/elements and put them on a dedicated coaster website; that would be an awesome idea!
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http://www.coasterforce.com/coasters/inversions
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http://www.coasterforce.com/coasters/inversions
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Lofty
CF Legend
The term Immelmann has been around since the first World War 1 in the discussion of their Aerial Warfare and the dogfight manoeuvres. The actual manoeuvre is taken just how the element is on coasters too, a half loop, followed by a diving exit that levels back at at 0º (or close to it).
I don't actually know if manufacturers use it, (I'm sure they do, I'm sure it's in one of those interview at IAAPA with B&M), but it's been going since around 1918, or even before.
I don't actually know if manufacturers use it, (I'm sure they do, I'm sure it's in one of those interview at IAAPA with B&M), but it's been going since around 1918, or even before.
Quite often they're terms taken from aerial manoeuvres, though sometimes they were named by the coaster manufacturers.
An aileron roll for instance is the aerobatic version of a corkscrew- the actual movements you go through in both plane and coaster are identical.
This is then muddied by people referring to the B&M invert version as a "Wing Over". A wing over in aerobatics is a climb into a near stall, then dropping back the way you came flipping over at the top of the climb.
It's a good question as to who names these things. RCDB used to call the B&M Corkscrews on inverts a Wing Over, but I notice now they've changed it to Corkscrew. So maybe B&M did call it that and have changed over time? I honestly don't know.
An Immelmann is a very standard term for a half-loop and twist and was invented by a German fighter pilot (Max Immelmann) in WWI. He was famous for pushing the newly developed aircraft to their limits. So that's a term that has been around almost as long as a "loop".
The reverse of an Immelmann is actually a Split-S.
The best place to research the origins is on manufacturer's websites. Look at the product listings and often they have a list of elements too that they "officially" recognise.
I suspect the enthusiast terms are a mix of different manufacturer terms.
An aileron roll for instance is the aerobatic version of a corkscrew- the actual movements you go through in both plane and coaster are identical.
This is then muddied by people referring to the B&M invert version as a "Wing Over". A wing over in aerobatics is a climb into a near stall, then dropping back the way you came flipping over at the top of the climb.
It's a good question as to who names these things. RCDB used to call the B&M Corkscrews on inverts a Wing Over, but I notice now they've changed it to Corkscrew. So maybe B&M did call it that and have changed over time? I honestly don't know.
An Immelmann is a very standard term for a half-loop and twist and was invented by a German fighter pilot (Max Immelmann) in WWI. He was famous for pushing the newly developed aircraft to their limits. So that's a term that has been around almost as long as a "loop".
The reverse of an Immelmann is actually a Split-S.
The best place to research the origins is on manufacturer's websites. Look at the product listings and often they have a list of elements too that they "officially" recognise.
I suspect the enthusiast terms are a mix of different manufacturer terms.
These are official terms created by the manufacturers and used by the parks.
Many inversion terms indeed are taken from the aviation that inspires them. Both the Dive Loop and Immelmann are standard fighter pilot maneuvers that are taught in flight school.
Many inversion terms indeed are taken from the aviation that inspires them. Both the Dive Loop and Immelmann are standard fighter pilot maneuvers that are taught in flight school.
BBH
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Immelmann loop is taken in this direction
^ Half Loop
< Twist downwards
OR
^ Half loop
> Twist downwards
The twist can be 90*, 45* or even 20* to the side, really any angle that's in between 10* and 90* lateral.
Dive loops are a bit different
^< Twist upwards in a 90* direction
\/ Half loop
OR
^> Twist upwards in a 90* direction
\/ Half loop.
^ Half Loop
< Twist downwards
OR
^ Half loop
> Twist downwards
The twist can be 90*, 45* or even 20* to the side, really any angle that's in between 10* and 90* lateral.
Dive loops are a bit different
^< Twist upwards in a 90* direction
\/ Half loop
OR
^> Twist upwards in a 90* direction
\/ Half loop.
Taxi
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Visual Explanation (easiest way to understand)
As you can see, A Dive loop is where the train literally "dives" down. An Immelmann is the same, just turn the train around and send it going in the opposite direction. They are both the same, its just the direction traveled that differs.
Both very similar and commonly confused with each other. Like barrel rolls & heart-line rolls, very similar but yet very different.
As you can see, A Dive loop is where the train literally "dives" down. An Immelmann is the same, just turn the train around and send it going in the opposite direction. They are both the same, its just the direction traveled that differs.
Both very similar and commonly confused with each other. Like barrel rolls & heart-line rolls, very similar but yet very different.
Straight from Wikipedia:
This picture below illustrates a heartline roll on the right, and a barrel roll/inline twist on the left. Barrel rolls have the track rotate a perfect 360 degrees, while a heartline roll has the rider perform a perfect 360 degrees.
This picture below illustrates a heartline roll on the right, and a barrel roll/inline twist on the left. Barrel rolls have the track rotate a perfect 360 degrees, while a heartline roll has the rider perform a perfect 360 degrees.
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