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14/7 Thorpe: The Australian Perspective

Gazza

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Even though Blackpool was the park I visited after Alton (Linky), I'm going to shortcut straight to Thorpe since it seems to be the most discussed on here.
I won't bother with photos...We've seen them all before, and It'll take me an age to get through all this.

Anyway, I was staying across the road from St Pancras station. I had arrived back from Blackpool the night before, so I was a bit tired when I got up at 7 am.

I wandered over to Euston, got on the underground (Which was surprisingly uncrowded for a weekday morning) and got off at Waterloo. A nice train trip brought me to Staines (Doesn't the automated voice sound so smug and snobby on Southwest Trains?)

Once I got to Staines I had some spare time till the bus, so after a Maccas Bacon Roll it was off to the park in a bus filled with kids...ugh.

I must have arrived at the park quite early since there were only two other kids at the annual pass entrance. So after a bit of a wait (I like how they pre scan your pass and stamp your hand to save time) the gates finally opened. I had originally intended to adopt A-Kids strategy of going to Nemesis and Stealth first, but it dawned on me that I was at the front, and the run to Saw wasn't that far, so I could save myself 4 GBP by just going in the bull rush there first. I know it is a bit lame to jog to rides, but I had heard of Thorpes reputation for queues, so I did it anyway.
Kids must be unfit, since everyone else seemed to get puffed out by the Colossus entrance. Once I walked through the maze of switchbacks for Saw it turned out I had to wait at the bottom of the stairs for more people to turn up. A few minutes later and it was up to the station. I was suprised at how short the inside queue area was, and that it didn't have much in the way of traps except for that awesome air blast effect.

In the station I got first car front row. The indoor part of the ride has come cool tricks, but I was disappointd the body under the heartline roll didn't squirt.
The vertical lift was really cool (One element I like on coasters) The drop looks beyond vertical, but doesn't feel like it when you go down. The rest of the ride was 'fun' but it was very short, and didn't really do much (Well the ride as a whole didn't do much)
In terms of roughness, I honestly couldn't spot it....I don't even recall the bump at the bottom of the drop :?
It's not a crap ride, but it did lack the wow factor for me.
The theming was pretty good however, and looked 'complete'.
*PS I haven't seen the Saw films, so there were probably subtle details in the theming I didn't get.

Next I headed to Colossus quickly since that apparently gets bad queues.
This was another surprising ride, I was expecting something awful and horribly rough, but the ride was alright actually. It was rough (and made bad noises), but still nowhere near as bad as an SLC, and the design of the restraints meant no ear bashing...It was quite easy to ride defensively, so I had fun.
But damn the trains are awkward to get into in the 2nd row of seats (I sat 1st car)
A fun layout, nice bit of air on the hill. I liked the cobra roll and the consecutive heartline rolls, and the corkscrews seemed to have the same sort of 'snap' as a B&M, which I also liked. The theming was quite nice on this one too.
If I am going to be critical of the ride, its the utter lack of pacing compared to the other (B&M) multi loopers I have ridden. On the others the ride feels like it is done in fast foward, this one felt like it was labouring to make it through each element, particularly at the end.

Slammer was open, so I quickly rode it there and then. After the ops buggered about being slow with the previous batch of riders it was onto the ride. Very cool actually, a unique sensation, and a cycle just the right length so you could get the feeling, but not get sick. The sound effects when it was rising were a nice touch too.
Too bad it is unreliable ride type, it would be cool to see more of these scattered around.

Next it was around to Inferno, which was still a walk on. I got onto the front row.
A great coaster, and the best in the park. Good speed throughout and
typical B&M Class.
I particularly liked Zero G Roll (But getting the middle back seat to get it to work properly is not that easy for a single rider...Only managed once) and the interlocking corkscrews.

The greenery around the ride is very nice, but the tunnel at the start seems a bit dumb though. I mean if it actually looked like a lava tube inside with rock walls, and had smoke working in there then it would be good, but there wasn't, so it was like going through a warehouse.


In that Alton Nemesis v Thorpe Nemesis debate, the Alton version of this ride is the clear winner, the Thorpe one didn't have the crazy intensity compared to Altons and the layout is a bit less creative. Plus I am a bit of a sucker for the terrain around the Alton version.

After a re ride, I went over to Stealth...My decision not to come here first turned out to be the right one because it had still not opened. So it was over to Rush. A short wait later and I was on.
Great airtime through out, and geez it is tall! But the ride cycle seems very short, which is a shame because it is a great sensation that you could enjoy for a while.
As a side note, I was surprised to see Eucalyptus Trees growing around the ride...took me back to Australia for a second.

Next up I did X: No Way Out. To me it felt like a ride that you could do a lot with, but instead it was just blank walls and darkness, with the odd coloured light thrown in. The coaster felt like a backwards rollerskater, and it was funny in the brakes when it rolled fowards a little bit.
Personally I think they should completely change the concept of the ride.
Its a pyramid, so you could link it in properly with the lost city, and make a temple front at the entrance. Inside it's just a blank canvas to do something like revenge of the mummy. Use the moments when it stops to have special effects. Do this in a year when they aren't investing in a full blown new attraction, and suddenly they would have another decent ride in the lineup.
So I guess that sums it up, a blank canvas.

I went back to see if Stealth was ready. It wasn't so I got an early lunch at Pizza Hut.....OK, but the the choice was a bit limited... All the Pizzas were sort of light on toppings (Eg Cheese only, peperoni and cheese only, beef onion and capsicum only etc) None of my favourites like Supreme or BBQ meat lovers or BBQ Chicken. Hadn't those bread sticks before, and they were good.
I don't like fizzy drinks, so I had to have this orange cordial stuff which tasted like detergent.
The place seemed to lack a dessert bar too.

Stealth still wasn't open, so I went on flying fish. Good for a kids ride I guess.

After that Stealth was open.
After 10 minutes in the single rider line I was on. As usual with these rides, an awesome launch, great views, good drop, and a good couple of moments of airtime. I guess as everyone says, it's just way to short...Seems like a bit of a 'ridiculous contraption', this huge thing that launches people to high speed, and then slows them seconds later. I am a big fan of the 'feeling of speed' on fast rides, so It would have been great if it had kept going and done some stuff at speed like hills and g force turns with the speed the trains had. The twist up the vertical was a bit jarring too.

I did think the theming was quite nice and captured the quirks of the era nicley, and was a genuine effort to match the themed area (Unlike Rita, which looked plain bizzare)
It's interesting the way UK parks market their rides, and when you think about it, its quite smart...Give a ride an edgy, easy to market name like stealth to attract the audience, but in the park itself theme the ride to fit in with the park to make the ride more effective, but not actually relate it to the name.

So I can rank some Accelerators now:

-Superman Escape
-Xcellerator
-Rita
-Stealth

Thats not to say any of them or bad or anything though, since Accelerators are a ride type I like.

After a re ride I went off to see the rest of the place, by now the lines were getting really long (Eg 80 mins for Inferno) so I wandered around and took photos for a bit, and then went on Depth Charge. A wait of about 20 minutes, made worse by a couple of French boys that insisted on standing way too close (That is actually endemic at the UK parks, what is the go with kids standing so close to you in the queue? Bloody annoying and unnecessary) Pretty average water slide though, but I had never been on one of these dry waterslides that are popular in Europe, so I had to give it a go. If anything it was a good spot to take photos from.

I think after that I re rode stealth since the single rider line works really well on that ride.

I headed over to the Canada Creek railway, and did a lap to get some pics of the fume. I then got my poncho on and went on the flume itself.
Quite a nice looking ride, the drop in the dark was fun, and the double dip final splashdown was quite exciting. I thought the Canada quiz questions in the queue were a nice touch.

I think after that I went on the rapids, very short, and like the Alton ones, still quite dry (Even with those new fountains). Its funny how the Ribena branding has just been peeled off, but it's still quite obvious.

Oh, did I mention at this point that during the day I had wanted to go back to Saw, but it was broken for much of it, with a car halfway up the lift and workmen at the bottom inside the track.

So I could sort of see the capacity and reliability problems the park faces. I think they do really need to go back to basics for their next ride. Forget the gimmicks like Stealth and Saw, a safe option like the oft discussed floorless, or wooden coaster would both be perfect for the place....Reliable and high capacity, and still quite marketable (Well, they could build anything and it seems like it would draw massive crowds!) If the place gets the good attendance it does then this should be no problem.

Anyway, at this point I did more rerides on Inferno and Stealth since the school group crowds had started to thin. I looked at the queue boards, and Saw was open again! With a 20 min wait or so, but it was getting very close to the end of the day, so getting a reride on Saw and Colossus was going to be a challenge.
I got on Saw again, this time back car, back seat. The jigsaw on the trike looked well done. I don't recall stopping in the building though.
Anyway, in the back the ride is much better...more airtime basically.

After that I had to hoof it to Colossus...the queue was shut, and the sign said fastrack people should go to the shop. I went there to try my luck, and a throng of people were there, and the station was empty. Even though I had no pass I got in without the operator even checking. Win.
I think I was about mid train, anyway, the ride was still fun, but hilariously we stacked outside the station with the empty train ahead. But it began to rain and the ops tortured us by not bringing us in.

With the day done it was time to head back in to London.

Overall, the park was pretty good...The theming was better than I thought it would be, and as usual with the UK parks, superb landscaping and greenery.
The rides were all quite good, a nice balanced line up I hope to see them continue to grow.

Though the whole neptunes kingdom area near the entrance looks quite crap, and should probably be scrapped..Its just some poor kids rides, an unused swimming area, and some average water slides. Raze the lot I say.

That would actually be on main criticism, the place has the worst entry sequence to any theme park I have been to. From the ticketing area with temporary everything, to the blah looking brick turnstile area, to the peeling 80s dome, to the lifeless Neptunes kingdom area.

Fortunately, I managed to all I wanted to in one day instead of the two I allowed. In short, it meant the second day I was there (The Friday) was a very short day indeed, and since it is on the same line as Windsor, I could actually go to Legoland (Hadn't planned to)

Actually, I'll say how that went down.
On the friday, I turned up early again, and went to Saw first again, I could see cars going, but it was closed apparently, So I did Colossus a couple of times..An announcement was played that Saw wouldn't be opening till later in the day. I did about 4 rides on Inferno, and then headed to Stealth...Which was also closed.

With that I gave up and headed off to Legoland, with perhaps less than an hour spent in the park.
Thorpes reputation for poor reliability didn't disappoint in this case (Well, I guess it did disappoint actually :lol: )

So yeah, to sum up, decent park with some great rides, but sort it out a bit.
 
For the first time in ages, I actually waded right through a TR without skipping any of it. Its really interesting to get a fresh perspective on Thorpe. Its also interesting to see it from the point of view of someone who has been given a wealth of 'local' knowledge, but has never been there before. I guess its that thing of comparing expectations with actual experiences.

Anyway, your first day sounds like you did really well. You definately need to plan your route round the park, and it sounds like you did a good job.

Your summary is actually pretty similar to my views of the park. Its a fun place, but desperately needs some reorganisation.
 
Just want to reiterate what Vadge says really.

These reports are very very interesting. It's really refreshing to get such a point of view on these places we visit, and read about, all the time.

Also, having met you, I know that the reports will be good anyway :)

Looking forward to reading about Blackpool - really looking forward to it as that's a place my views towards have changed massively over the years.

As for Thorpe, I think you've got it about right. I don't really have a problem with Thorpe, it's just there's nothing there really stands out as being "excellent". Everything is just good, but not as good as elsewhere. I think you've summed it up kind of that way, but much more positively :)
 
Sorry, I'm a few days late on this topic. When you where on the back row of Inferno, do you remeber sitting next to 2 teenage boys? One of them was me I think.
 
Errm, I sat next to quite a few teenage boys (It seems like it is only teenagers that visit Thorpe). I think I can vaguely remember the cycle in question though, I was single and I think you two would've been the other riders, and one of the seats went empty.

PS, sorry about the big delay with the PBB TR, Uni is already piling on the work! I'll get it done soonish hopefully.
 
Just going to repeat what Vadge and Furie said really. These days I rarely bother reading Thorpe trip reports. I just don't see much point.

I had a similar experience to you when I went there for the first time about a year ago. I'd read loads about it, seen loads of pictures, and followed all the complaining about the place. I had a great day there to be honest. Everything was working in my favour though: great weather, not too busy, everything open etc.

Anyway, nice report, and great to see one that isn't written for the sake of it, ending in a ride count, and hashed out by someone who goes there every **** ing weekend.
 
Thats pretty much it, I had set aside 2 days 'just in case', expecting stuff to be closed, queues to be so long as to limit what I could get done, but I had well and truly done what I had wanted in a day, had fun, and basically only went back just because it was my last B&M in a while.
Stuff did break down, but so long as it is open at some point so I get to ride then I don't care. In all my time visiting theme parks overseas I have been very lucky, and have not once had a ride break down while I was in the actual queue.

Anyway, since you guys are cool I will post a handful of photos i liked.





















A few final points...

-Why does Colossus piss so much oil out? The supports and track are filthy!

-I thought it was funny in the Saw queue how they have voice overs done in an American accent, but you can clearly tell it is actually a brit doing it because it sounds abit off. London has plenty of expats living there right? They couldn't rustle up a proper American to do it?

-While I found pretty much all UK parks to be of a high standard one thing I found with the Merlin ones is that they don't paint their coasters, and they are all faded, sort of lets down their solid theming and landscaping efforts.

-Those icy thickshakes they sell at the chippo in Amity Cove are awesome.

And im going off topic here, but Furie, there is a place at Alton that sells flavoured milk...Eastern Express, but it was the Yazoo brand you guys have , which I didn't like as much as the Frijj brand (I was suprised neither came in coffee flavour though, what an oversight!)
 
Gazza said:
And im going off topic here, but Furie, there is a place at Alton that sells flavoured milk...Eastern Express, but it was the Yazoo brand you guys have , which I didn't like as much as the Frijj brand (I was suprised neither came in coffee flavour though, what an oversight!)

LOL!

They're a franchise (one of the few left at Alton) - so that's probably why. I only get as far as the kebabs at the front and don't venture any further in.

Frijj is yummy, but it's expensive, so quite rare in these kinds of places.
 
I love that Colossus heartline photo! I don't think I have ever seen that shot done before!

Yeah, something needs to be done about Colly, Inferno, Vortex's paint. Colly really needs a makeover. I remember back in the day, it looked fantastic. Dragons Fury needs a fresh paint. Nemesis does too. Costs a bomb to do it and Merlin never like parting with money :D

Anyway, glade you had a good time there. Its not a bad park like its made out to be, is it. Just has its days... like mine on Tuesday!
 
Frijj is yummy, but it's expensive, so quite rare in these kinds of places.
Expensive? Really? I lived off the stuff (I liked the homer simpson cookie dough flavour, and the fudge one)...sweet things and flavoured milk are so cheap in the UK, so I stocked up a bit. Here I'm typically paying equiv of 1.50 GBP a bottle for flavoured milk here.

glade you had a good time there
The park did have quite a pleasant fragrance when I plugged it into the wall socket.

I love that Colossus heartline photo! I don't think I have ever seen that shot done before!
It took a bit of effort. On the mesh under the rolls there is a part where it bulges out at the seam, stick the lens barrel through there, (you'll need to stand on tippy toes, and stretch one arm right up holding the camera) Took about 5 attempts, because I'd inevitably move, or have the camera slightly off angle). Its only a small gap, so you'd need a compact camera with the lens barrel right to one edge.

The shot of Colossus across the lake was too much effort thoigh, because it involved finding a gap in the trees, and leaning over a steep bank, trying to avoid falling in the lake.

One thing I'm still confused about is my views on Saw and Colossus.

Saw I didn't find rough at all, and the cars didn't do the wierd thing the ones on Rage do where they feel like they are doing lots of little turns.

Colossus was definitley not smooth, but it wasn't unridable, and even multiple goes were fine.

Am I just less of a pussbag when it comes to roughness? Are Thorpe visitors just soft? Do others not have a problem either?

SLCs are probably the main thing I find really uncomfortable, and avoid riding.
 
^ I thought the same with Colossus. I deliberately rode the back seats, to get the "worst" ride, and I thought it was fine. As you said, far from the smoothest coaster, but there are a LOT worse out there. Whiny little bitches need to get on some Meisho coasters, then try complaining about Colossus.
 
Gazza said:
It took a bit of effort. On the mesh under the rolls there is a part where it bulges out at the seam, stick the lens barrel through there, (you'll need to stand on tippy toes, and stretch one arm right up holding the camera) Took about 5 attempts, because I'd inevitably move, or have the camera slightly off angle). Its only a small gap, so you'd need a compact camera with the lens barrel right to one edge.

The shot of Colossus across the lake was too much effort thoigh, because it involved finding a gap in the trees, and leaning over a steep bank, trying to avoid falling in the lake.

:lol: , they were both certainly worth the effort and other photos are very good. I found Colossus was a good coaster to photograph too.

Great reading in the report so far.
 
Colossus is fine. I find it fairly smooth, just vibrates a little. I dont even find Infusion that rough!
 
It's First-Time Rider Syndrome.

Whenever you ride a coaster for the first two or three times, your body naturally tense as you do not know what to expect. Therefore your body is braced for the roughness.

After five rides, you mind and body relaxes a bit more and only then can you get a real feel for the ride.
 
^He did say multiple rides were fine though. I found Colossus ok, not that bad at all in terms of roughness.
 
I don't find Colossus rough at all and never have done.

I find the in-lines painful, but not because the coaster is rough. It's purely because I'm a big fat chuffer and all that weight bearing down on the restraints on my shoulders hurts.

I thought Saw was really smooth actually :)
 
Ian said:
It's First-Time Rider Syndrome.

Whenever you ride a coaster for the first two or three times, your body naturally tense as you do not know what to expect. Therefore your body is braced for the roughness.

After five rides, you mind and body relaxes a bit more and only then can you get a real feel for the ride.

True, I'd need to ride it more to get more of in idea, but I have found a lot of first rides to be a lot rougher than my first ride on Colossus, and surely the same riding "style" applies.
 
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