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toofpikk

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The numbers I heard thrown about a lot were that Klugheim, as an entire project, cost €60 million (~£50 million / $67 million). For some extra context, I heard Chiapas cost €35-40 million, and RCDB lists Deep in Africa (but not including the hotel) as €22 million. Keep in mind inflation rates and stuff too (I think €22 million in 2006 is about €32 million these days?)

I'd fully expect Rookburgh to cost more than Klugheim due to the fact FLY is a bit more complex than Taron, the hotel is almost definitely a bigger investment than Raik and the significant amount of groundwork required in Rookburgh (which I believe is one of the things which has slowed the whole project down, due to it being more complex than originally expected).
Wasn't there some rumour that Taron was discounted too, due to the antics that happened with Chiapas?
 

JammyH

Member
Interesting. Perhaps now with Hotel Charles Lindbergh they didn't want to leave it as the only hotel without.
I know it’s a bit off topic however matamba may be receiving a direct park entrance because ling bao is no longer going to have one once rookburgh opens.

If the rumours are true, China will be the next area to undergo redevelopment into Asia and therefore due to construction work it could be possible that ling bao won’t have direct park access for a couple of years and therefore there will be direct entrance at matamba for both ling bao and matamba guests so that the main entrance/ direct entrance from Charles Lindbergh doesn’t become too congested with people.
 

Ethan

Well-Known Member
Wasn't there some rumour that Taron was discounted too, due to the antics that happened with Chiapas?
I also heard something similar, but that they got Taron as part of a 2-ride deal with Intamin and Raik in a 2-ride deal with Vekoma? Of course this could be absolute bs.
 
About hotel Matamba:

If the pathway for the probably new hotelentrance really goes underneath the zero-G-roll, this could give a very nice view on Black Mamba. I suppose the pathway will go here:
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However, I ask myself:

When this is really a pathway for the hotelentrance, why didn't they create the ticket control at the end of the pathway?

Because I see it happening that day visitors walk towards this ticket control which is a dead end pathway...

Very curious to see this developing. :)
 
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Rupert

New Member
About hotel Matamba:

If the pathway for the probably new hotelentrance really goes underneath the zero-G-roll, this could give a very nice view on Black Mamba. I suppose the pathway will go here:
View attachment 7843

However, I ask myself:

When this is really a pathway for the hotelentrance, why didn't they create the ticket control at the end of the pathway?

Because I see it happening that day visitors walk towards this ticket control which is a dead end pathway...

Very curious to see this developing. :)
But there is no need to make the pathway under the zero-G because there is already a path through the loop! As CSLKenny says, the newly-built gate by the hotel is set back, leaving the fire engine access route open, so there shouldn't be any restrictions on using the bridge any more, based on what has been said earlier in this thread. Or is your photo new? As the only reason I can think to build a new path is disabled access to avoid the stairs of the bridge through the loop.

Back to the conversation about the costs, if those figures are even slightly accurate, the amount of money PL is spending is phenomenal for an independent park, wow. To every couple of years spend around €50-70 million is amazing, but I can believe it given how complex these multi-year intense projects are, and how in the last decade or so the core of the park has been almost completely renewed.
 

Trax

Member
2 things regarding the hotel entrances and the money.

Hotel Matamba had an entrance planned, which is the bridge through Black Mambas Loop. I think it has been discarded due to TÜV constraints, but that is just a rumor. In addition, Matamba has a big gate between the fence to Black Mamba and the restaurant Bantu which could be easily modified as an hotel entrance.
A path below/above black Mambas layout would be great, but I think the same problems would apply as they did for the loop.

Regarding the Money:
You may not know this, but the owner of the Phantasialand used to own Mirabilandia, too and sold it in 2006 for ~100 million €. Shortly after that sale, the Phantasialand began heavy investments into the park. The new Berlin area, followed by Chiapas and Klugheim and now Rookburgh. If the money has been temporarily invested (which the owner is used to do, as the park is more a hobby for him), it is realistic that Berlin, Chiapas and Klugheim have been paid with the money from that sale. And with the park being able to save money for several years for another major investment, this money could now be used for Rookburgh.

Now we are going into the speculations: With all the pay once, go twice and even discounted tickets (especially in the 2020 season), it looks like the park is trying to improve visitors as quickly as possible to have easier negotiations with banks for a loan for the next expansion.
 
But there is no need to make the pathway under the zero-G because there is already a path through the loop! As CSLKenny says, the newly-built gate by the hotel is set back, leaving the fire engine access route open, so there shouldn't be any restrictions on using the bridge any more, based on what has been said earlier in this thread. Or is your photo new? As the only reason I can think to build a new path is disabled access to avoid the stairs of the bridge through the loop.
You could find the picture in the source mentioned by @roff. I wouldn't know where this would lead to if it wasn't for the hotelentrance. We'll see it when a new update comes up.

Hotel Matamba had an entrance planned, which is the bridge through Black Mambas Loop. I think it has been discarded due to TÜV constraints, but that is just a rumor. In addition, Matamba has a big gate between the fence to Black Mamba and the restaurant Bantu which could be easily modified as an hotel entrance.
A path below/above black Mambas layout would be great, but I think the same problems would apply as they did for the loop.
An entrance next to restaurant Bantu isn't possible (like @Rupert said) due the fire engine access. The bridge through the loop was/is just a big mistake too, wheelchairs and buggies have no access. :p
 

CSLKennyNI

Active Member
I feel like the whole 2-ride deal stuff is just fan speculation but I guess who can say for sure. Chiapas and Taron were many years in the planning; whether Intamin offered a Chiapas issues discount retrospectively after Taron was already designed and contracted we will probably never know.

I know it’s a bit off topic however matamba may be receiving a direct park entrance because ling bao is no longer going to have one once rookburgh opens.

If the rumours are true, China will be the next area to undergo redevelopment into Asia and therefore due to construction work it could be possible that ling bao won’t have direct park access for a couple of years and therefore there will be direct entrance at matamba for both ling bao and matamba guests so that the main entrance/ direct entrance from Charles Lindbergh doesn’t become too congested with people.
The main China square is unlikely to be majorly affected in my opinion. Nevermind the rumours that pointed to just Geister Rikscha and the opposite food stalls getting the axe, and the underground hall of Geister being reused so the area remains largely unaffected, the main China square has seen a decent bit of investment in recent years such as the new IMAscore soundtrack, the custom made Wintertraum decorations, etc.
So I would be very surprised to see Ling Bao loose its entrance, even temporarily. I think this is just the park now upgrading Matamba for the benefit of resort guests' experience and bringing the same standard across all 3 hotels this summer.

As for Matamba with the entrance location effectively making that path/access road part of the park. I could perhaps see the fire access gate beside Bantu and the loop bridge opening up. Gives a step free accessible route for hotel guests, and for the park some extra roaming space for guests to look around Mamba and go through the loop. Plus with the entrance infrastructure out of the way it still leaves room for emergency access.
 

Cranedude

Member
About hotel Matamba:

If the pathway for the probably new hotelentrance really goes underneath the zero-G-roll, this could give a very nice view on Black Mamba. I suppose the pathway will go here:
View attachment 7843

However, I ask myself:

When this is really a pathway for the hotelentrance, why didn't they create the ticket control at the end of the pathway?

Because I see it happening that day visitors walk towards this ticket control which is a dead end pathway...

Very curious to see this developing. :)
Why does that drawing of yours seem to imply that the bridge goes over the zero g roll? And close enough that trains could collide with it?
Based on that scenario I can just picture some folks going on the bridge when suddenly Black Mamba's train rolls through and game ends both the bridge and the poor, poor folks on it.
 

UP87

Member
As for Matamba with the entrance location effectively making that path/access road part of the park. I could perhaps see the fire access gate beside Bantu and the loop bridge opening up. Gives a step free accessible route for hotel guests, and for the park some extra roaming space for guests to look around Mamba and go through the loop. Plus with the entrance infrastructure out of the way it still leaves room for emergency access.
I think this is it. At phantafriends.de there is also some speculation that the restaurant Bantu could be used for park guests, as well (like it will be with Uhrwerk in Rookburgh). At least for crowded days it'd be cool to have an additional Restaurant and I assume that it's really empty if open at all during park hours as a restaurant outside the park.
 
As for Matamba with the entrance location effectively making that path/access road part of the park. I could perhaps see the fire access gate beside Bantu and the loop bridge opening up. Gives a step free accessible route for hotel guests, and for the park some extra roaming space for guests to look around Mamba and go through the loop. Plus with the entrance infrastructure out of the way it still leaves room for emergency access.
I thought this too, but I wanted to keep this speculation for myself. People already think I'm nuts. :p

I think this is it. At phantafriends.de there is also some speculation that the restaurant Bantu could be used for park guests, as well (like it will be with Uhrwerk in Rookburgh). At least for crowded days it'd be cool to have an additional Restaurant and I assume that it's really empty if open at all during park hours as a restaurant outside the park.
Exactly. This way day visitors also don't have to leave the park and go via Matamba's entrance to have dinner at the restaurant. This are mostly fans and guests who have been staying at Matamba before that knows that this is possible.

DiA can use this extra space and eating facility so this is what I'm hoping for. Let's wait and find out if this is it. :)
 
Tobi on Phantafriends confirmed that FLY was making test drives today:

"Today I made another small visit to Phantasialand and shortly after I got there I looked at the current status of Charles Lindbergh. Shortly afterwards there was an increasing louder wind noise, which I thought was a stronger gust of wind that was pushing against the big rusty wall. It turned out, however, that it was a test drive. After that, of course, I waited for further test drives and plenty of test drives were carried out so that you could experience test drives from all the places from which you could look into Rookburgh. My impression was that the test drives are already running very smoothly. In the second launch, the train is shot through and the loading (dummies) of the trains suggested that two trains were used for test drives. As far as can be seen, the train trim is the standard trim, which is kept very dark."
 
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And someone said that there would be videos from those tests... But I cannot find any of them :/
I also searched without result. Yet we can be sure that testing has really taken place, Tobi is the best source we can have (except Phantasialand itself :p).

Update of the novelties and renovations around hotel Matamba:
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As we can see, beside the hotelentrance they're also building another theming element but now near restaurant Bantu from which the thatched roof is already completely renewed.
 

zazobo

Member
So pleased they're opening an entrance from Matamba, having to walk round the exterior of the hotel through Hotel Ling Bao really broke your immersion. Can't wait to get back to this fecking great park.
 
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