Europe vs america

[Nemesis Inferno]

^I take it you haven't seen Busch Gardens Europe then?

That is better than most European parks...

 

[Anonymous]

And i guess you haven't scene Europa Park or Alton Towers :wink:

 

[Nemesis Inferno]

Why yes...

And Busch Gardens Europe is just as good if not better...

 

[Snoo]

Of course, theme doesn't mean everything. In fact, as we see with Saw or Thirteen.. you can't sprinkle fairy dust on **** and make it glorious.

 

[Ben]

European parks are definatley a lot better themed than American ones.

Disneyland? Disney World? Universal's parks? Sea World parks? Busch parks? Dollywood?

I'd agree that on AVERAGE European parks are themed better, but, I think you're being a bit unfair on America.

 

[Anonymous]

Of course, theme doesn't mean everything. In fact, as we see with Saw or Thirteen.. you can't sprinkle fairy dust on <img> and make it glorious.

And that makes sense how?

FYI no one has ridden 13 so no one knows how good it is so you just can't say that. :wink: Also have you ever been on SAW,i have and its great so much better than that american one, whats its name you know the "number 1 coaster in the world" can't remember because its not as good as SAW or lots of European Rides. And before you ask yes i've been on err what was its name that so called no.1 in the mitch hawker poll.

I'd agree that on AVERAGE European parks are themed better, but, I think you're being a bit unfair on America.

No i'm not all i was saying is that most European parks are better themed and cleaner/better kept than american ones. I have nothing against american parks, its just that in Six Flag's case they (mostly) only theme rides and even then it's (mostly) not there own ideas just Batman etc

And Americans are being unfair on us saying that they've got 400ft stratacoaster and our rides are crap because there smaller but as Nemesis proved thats why it and Black Mamba are probably the 2 best inverteds in the world. So much better than them 10+ batmans in america.

 

[Nemesis Inferno]

^You're saying Saw is better than Bizzaro?

Firstly, the rides are not easy to compare considering they are both totally different types...

Secondly, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO AND NO... Saw isn't even the best in the UK... :roll:

 

[Ben]

And thirdly, the Batman clones are amazing.

 

[RCF]

Also have you ever been on SAW,i have and its great so much better than that american one, whats its name you know the "number 1 coaster in the world"

First of all, everyone is entitled to an opinion. You go around to a lot of other people and see what they think Thirteen is gonna be, and SAW hasn't gotten the best reception (excluding Ollie :wink: )
Snoo was just expressing his opinion on things he has heard and is entitled on it. And I may be wrong, but maybe Snoo meant that the magical "fairy dust" was maybe all the hype they try to put into coasters that, frankly, have disappointed some people.

Also, the name of the coaster is "Bizarro" as I'm sure you know.

Quick question, have you been on this? Because if you haven't you're just contradicting yourself and are a total failure at trying to make an argument. And there's absolutely positively NO WAY you can compare Bizarro to Saw. Like Nemesis Inferno said, they're two totally different ride types, and are total opposites.

No i'm not all i was saying is that most European parks are better themed and cleaner/better kept than american ones. I have nothing against american parks, its just that in Six Flag's case they (mostly) only theme rides and even then it's (mostly) not there own ideas just Batman etc

Well buddy they do have things called partnerships in this business. And, although you see it a different way, not everything Six Flags is themed to Batman and things like that. But the many parks that do have that, have looked to the example set by SFGA (Six Flags Great America) in 1992.


Now look, yes they almost all have Batman clones, but aren't they still highly popular with the GP? Six Flags seems to employ this because it's what the people want. They've learned a few things over the years and this is an example, to remake all these and put them in their parks because so many people like them.

And Americans are being unfair on us saying that they've got 400ft stratacoaster and our rides are crap because there smaller

Tell me who said this and I'll give you a cookie. If you can find someone who genuinely said that our 400 ft. (actually our TWO +400 ft. stratacoasters) make us automatically better. And sure your rides may be small, but no one said that's a drawback.

as Nemesis proved thats why it and Black Mamba are probably the 2 best inverteds in the world. So much better than them 10+ batmans in america.

Lack of judgment my friend. Now you say that all we have is Batman clones while you have 2 of the best "invertds" as you wrote, Nemesis and Black Mamba. While I haven't rode these I can agree with you on the latter part. But America is not separated in to "Batman Clones" and "Every other type of coaster".

But oh look at us the Americans can play games, because we also have some of the best inverts in the world. Ever heard of Alpengeist? What about Montu? And **** I'll even include Raptor in the old days when it first opened, only a few years after the original Batman.


So before you go putting words into our mouths, you may want to get a better sense of judgment and learn how to NOT be a n00b.

Thank You and Come Again

 

[Snoo]

^That and..

And that makes sense how?

FYI no one has ridden 13 so no one knows how good it is so you just can't say that. Also have you ever been on SAW,i have and its great so much better than that american one, whats its name you know the "number 1 coaster in the world" can't remember because its not as good as SAW or lots of European Rides. And before you ask yes i've been on err what was its name that so called no.1 in the mitch hawker poll.

How does that not make sense? And judging by the rest of my post, you have absolutely no idea what the hell are you talking about or what I meant.. so stop while you're ahead.

For most other details, refer to RCF's post.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

They both have their pros and cons, as people have said, European parks seem to have better atmospheres, ON AVERAGE, but then again, there are some American parks with atmospheres that can blow any park away almost. Same goes for coasters, America has more, so obviously we have a lot more better ones, but then Europe also has some coasters that are better than a lot of ours over here.

So it depends how you look at it.

 

[Antinos]

As I said before, they can't be compared. Our two 400 foot coasters are one trick ponies. They're quite a rush, but they lack a lot. Yes, Top Thrill Dragster is in my top ten, but I'm sure that if I were to ride the best in Europe, it wouldn't even be in my top 15 anymore.

Europe has Expedition Geforce and Goliath. The only thing comparable in the US is Bizarro. What other Intamin hyper coasters do the US have? Ride of Steel, two rough and not very exciting rides. How many mega-lites does the US have? None, while Denmark is home to Piraten.

Let's look at Black Mamba. More than half the ride is underground/enclosed in fake rocks/buildings. It has some of the most extensive theming out of any coaster worldwide. Does Alpengeist have that theming? Does Montu? Does any Batman clone? Speaking of Batman clones, there's one in England's back yard! It's called Batman La Fuga, and it travels through an insane asylum!

 

[Jake]

Snoo, more money circulates the European Union. We have a larger economy.

Park wise though, The USA has better coasters. However, I find that European parks on the whole vary more... probably due to the lack of Cedar Fair/Six Flags, and restrictions forcing them to be more creative.

 

[CreditCrazy]

Even though the USA probably has more well-rounded parks, European parks look much more...interesting. Even though there are a ton of great American coasters I still need to ride, I'd rather go to Europe to get a different feel of parks. Oh well, in a few years.

 

[Snoo]

Snoo, more money circulates the European Union. We have a larger economy.

Park wise though, The USA has better coasters. However, I find that European parks on the whole vary more... probably due to the lack of Cedar Fair/Six Flags, and restrictions forcing them to be more creative.

Wasn't talking economy hunny.. as that was obvious. I'm talking blatantly obviously blowing of money on dozens of huge, +20 million dollar coasters.

All things being equal, we do work.

 

[furie]

I think Jake has hit the nail on the head. The US has generally better rides, but there's less variety.

However - that's not a bad thing. I'd rather the only B&M Invert out of 15 coasters was a Batman clone, if it means there are 14 other coasters in the park. When you start to add a lot of rides, you increase the chances you're going to end up building something special. I think we can agree that this has happened at most of the major US parks.

In Europe, there tends to be more of a competitive angle on things. We don't go for bigger or faster (it's a bit brash and unsubtle) - but we try to differentiate from each other. Hence the variety.

Viva la difference

 

[caffeine_demon]

I think the old "Usa is so much better than Europe" thing is a good 70% hype. To guve a few examples:

`1 - Europa park - the attention to detail throughout is stunning, and Euro Mir is pretty unique.

2 - DLP - Much maligned, I thought ride wise it was better than WDW in orlando (although I hear cali is the best)

3 - Heide park - seriously nicely landscaped, and it has colossos

4 - NEMESIS - 'nuff said

5 - Oblivion

6 - Djurs sommerland - Piraten <3 & a great family park

7 - Blackpool pleasure beach - a number of unique rides

but on the othjer side we do have test track, spiderman, cedar point, some seriouslly coaster filled 6 flags parks, el toro, boulder dash and revenge of the mummy

Were you drunk when you posted this?

*hic* :drinking: whatever makesh you think that? :beer:

 

[Screaming Coasters]

I feel I need to mention Merlin as they now have a huge control over the theme park industry in the UK. I think we're going to see some major changes to the types experience that we'll go through...

It's what we're all about, experience, rather than being blasted through 500mph in 0.4 seconds... Just look at Saw, Th13teen, Saw Alive...

Much more than just rides, but an experience and thats what sets us apart (how ever badly they are pulled off)

But deep down, I'd like to see their £700 million profit go to better use though. I wouldn't mind a local Dragon Khan or something of similar calibre but it just won't happen at this money-hungry point in time...

 

[Anonymous]

that's what my whole big armgument was about. Yes i lovve the experience of the rides but thats what I mean they should build different types of rides in the different parks not like same two types of coasters in the same company but i do agree with what most people are saying.

 

[Anonymous]

Yes, Europe definitely needs to pull its socks up if it wants to truly compete. It's often more innovative, and the best coaster constructors tend to be European, but it is quite a way back in terms of size and speed of coasters.