Old or New Millennium of B&M
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CoasterCrazy
Giga Poster
Re: Old/New Millennium of B&M
I think the wingrider is definitely an up and coming B&M design...they're sheer awsome! (And yes, I have been on Raptor!)
I think the wingrider is definitely an up and coming B&M design...they're sheer awsome! (And yes, I have been on Raptor!)
michaellll
Mega Poster
Re: Old/New Millennium of B&M
New:
-Awesome hypers.
-Some great flyers
-Wing Riders
-Dive Machines
Old:
-Some classics like Nemmy, Hulk......
I prefer the new.
New:
-Awesome hypers.
-Some great flyers
-Wing Riders
-Dive Machines
Old:
-Some classics like Nemmy, Hulk......
I prefer the new.
alexr
Hyper Poster
Re: Old/New Millennium of B&M
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No, They still sell them on there website however I don't see why a park would still buy one when they could get a floorless version.
http://www.bolliger-mabillard.com/produ ... ng_en.aspx
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No, They still sell them on there website however I don't see why a park would still buy one when they could get a floorless version.
http://www.bolliger-mabillard.com/produ ... ng_en.aspx
Re: Old/New Millennium of B&M
^I've never looked at their website until now. That's atrocious. The argument will be that they don't "need" to advertise, but the absolute arrogance of that annoys me.
Anyway, back on topic.
I see the whole "new B&Ms are forceless" argument to be a bit of a myth to be honest, which usually comes about based on the inverted model.
^I've never looked at their website until now. That's atrocious. The argument will be that they don't "need" to advertise, but the absolute arrogance of that annoys me.
Anyway, back on topic.
I see the whole "new B&Ms are forceless" argument to be a bit of a myth to be honest, which usually comes about based on the inverted model.
andrus
Giga Poster
Re: Old/New Millennium of B&M
^^There has been built two new B&M loopers with floor since the introduction of Medusa, whereof the last one (Led Zeppelin) was built in 2008. So yes, I still do think parks consider the floored model when investing in a new looper.
And personally I like the floored version more. I think the floorless trains are ugly and they don't allow any theming. Plus the new "hyper" seating used on Wildfire looks really funky, I would love to try that one out!
^^There has been built two new B&M loopers with floor since the introduction of Medusa, whereof the last one (Led Zeppelin) was built in 2008. So yes, I still do think parks consider the floored model when investing in a new looper.
And personally I like the floored version more. I think the floorless trains are ugly and they don't allow any theming. Plus the new "hyper" seating used on Wildfire looks really funky, I would love to try that one out!
LiveForTheLaunch
CF Legend
Re: Old/New Millennium of B&M
The focus has shifted too much for me to make a decision. It seems they were more focused on inversions before, whereas now they seem to be focused more on airtime and height. My favourite B&M is Nemesis and I believe many other brilliant ones came from the earlier days, but then again Behemoth is also brilliant and that is considered newer. If I had to choose I think I'd go with old, but their concepts are certainly evolving with a consistent quality.
The focus has shifted too much for me to make a decision. It seems they were more focused on inversions before, whereas now they seem to be focused more on airtime and height. My favourite B&M is Nemesis and I believe many other brilliant ones came from the earlier days, but then again Behemoth is also brilliant and that is considered newer. If I had to choose I think I'd go with old, but their concepts are certainly evolving with a consistent quality.
Venom2053
Hyper Poster
Re: Old/New Millennium of B&M
Yea both the new and the old have there advantages and disadvantages. I love the old layouts of Kumba and Hulk but I think dive machines like Sherkia have the coolest feeling and its amazing that they are now building over 300ft.
If I HAD to pick, I enjoy the inversions more so I'd go with the old.
Yea both the new and the old have there advantages and disadvantages. I love the old layouts of Kumba and Hulk but I think dive machines like Sherkia have the coolest feeling and its amazing that they are now building over 300ft.
If I HAD to pick, I enjoy the inversions more so I'd go with the old.
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Anonymous
Guest
Re: Old/New Millennium of B&M
This that old B&M are supposed to be more forceful than newer ones are just an illusion in my view. In some cases it's the other way around. I think that the main difference between old an new in terms of force is computing power. The precision that you can calculate how the track should be built have increased a lot since the first B&M, and with better calculations you can get better force outputs.
Looking at data for some old an new B&M inverts, then the older ones are very inconsistent as their positive vertical force varies between every element (some spots may have 4.5 g's other spots 2 g's and the rest is somewhere in between), where as newer ones pulls more or less exactly 4 g's everywhere between elements.
It's like comparing the forces between a hand built and "tooled" NoLimits coaster track...
I'm leaning towards the older ones that B&M have made (Pyrenees <3 ), the newer ones are a bit too "perfect", they lack a bit of soul and character that the older have. But then again they are still massive fun to ride!!
This that old B&M are supposed to be more forceful than newer ones are just an illusion in my view. In some cases it's the other way around. I think that the main difference between old an new in terms of force is computing power. The precision that you can calculate how the track should be built have increased a lot since the first B&M, and with better calculations you can get better force outputs.
Looking at data for some old an new B&M inverts, then the older ones are very inconsistent as their positive vertical force varies between every element (some spots may have 4.5 g's other spots 2 g's and the rest is somewhere in between), where as newer ones pulls more or less exactly 4 g's everywhere between elements.
It's like comparing the forces between a hand built and "tooled" NoLimits coaster track...
I'm leaning towards the older ones that B&M have made (Pyrenees <3 ), the newer ones are a bit too "perfect", they lack a bit of soul and character that the older have. But then again they are still massive fun to ride!!
reddude333
Giga Poster
Re: Old/New Millennium of B&M
This is just too tough for me. Some of the first steel roller coasters I've ever ridden were from the first half and they mean a lot to me. I really like the original Top Gun at Paramount's Great America and Batman at SFMM is brilliant. For me the main difference is that B&M got more innovative over time and while I have not been on any of their dive machines or wing riders, I loved Tatsu the year it came out and I have generally enjoyed their megacoasters.
This is just too tough for me. Some of the first steel roller coasters I've ever ridden were from the first half and they mean a lot to me. I really like the original Top Gun at Paramount's Great America and Batman at SFMM is brilliant. For me the main difference is that B&M got more innovative over time and while I have not been on any of their dive machines or wing riders, I loved Tatsu the year it came out and I have generally enjoyed their megacoasters.