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msep003

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On a recent article from a News Magazine at Europa Park . In this magazine it says that MACK Rides has 2 Customers for their Megacoaster . We currently know that the first Mack's megacoaster will be for Etnaland in Sicily for 2013 and the second one will be for France .

Now the question is which park this new megacoaster from MAck will be at ? i mean who can afford it ? France has a lot small parks such as Nigloland or the Walibis or either Bagatelle .
 

_koppen

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

Nigloland was very interested in a Intamin Megalite, and rumour said that they signed a deal for one back in 2009, at Djurs Sommerland, to be built in their park for 2012. But that did not happened. perhaps it will happen, or maybe they are the ones that are now buying from Mack instead?
 

msep003

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

_koppen said:
Nigloland was very interested in a Intamin Megalite, and rumour said that they signed a deal for one back in 2009, at Djurs Sommerland, to be built in their park for 2012. But that did not happened. perhaps it will happen, or maybe they are the ones that are now buying from Mack instead?

Yes you're right but remember that they ve already got a few Mack Rides like the Mine Train , an Indoor Coaster , a Wild Mouse etc... !!

They seem to love Mack Ride and they have kept a very good relations between them . They know that getting a Mack Ride is expensive but its worth it for the Maintenance Cost .
 

Martyn B

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

Yeah, after that Megalite rumour, I wont believe this until its official.
 

STC

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

It won't be DLP, but the MACK launch system would fit in absolutely perfectly at a Disney park.

Incredibly comfortable trains, exciting but not too intense, astonishing throughputs, low maintenance, gorgeous to look at.

If only they'd waited a few years and made Rock'n'Rolla a Mack. :|
 

peep

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

I wonder if it's Walygator coming back from the dead again? 3 years might be a bit too soon after buying a giant B&M but you never know, it may have done wonders for the park.

Intriguing about the Nigloland rumour and if that is true this would probably be cheaper (than the Intamin) and far superior for them.

I like these random rumours. But those two I think are the only contenders, there isn't another park in France which would be big enough to get one (which is likely to actually buy something so soon).
 

_koppen

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peep said:
Intriguing about the Nigloland rumour and if that is true this would probably be cheaper (than the Intamin) and far superior for them.

I really doubt that the Mack would be either cheaper, or superior.
 

Ethan

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_koppen said:
peep said:
Intriguing about the Nigloland rumour and if that is true this would probably be cheaper (than the Intamin) and far superior for them.

I really doubt that the Mack would be either cheaper, or superior.

Actually I think Mack is cheaper, so....
 

peep

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

Yeah, I have no idea about figures but I'm pretty sure Mack is a cheaper manufacturer compared to Intamin. Oh and Mack are far superior in my opinion, they make rides that work and are fun.
 

gavin

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

Blue Fire is a better coaster than any of the Intamin launch+inversion coasters that I've been on, so in that respect I'd go along with the "superior" label. Admittedly, not as intense, but it's a much better rounded coaster and a lot more enjoyable.

As a coaster manufacturer as a whole, though? No. Most of Mack's stuff is mediocre to crap.
 

_koppen

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Mack is not a cheap company. They are from Germany, and their products are all about quality. Blue Fire costed almost 20 million euros for the park to build, so they do cost a lot of money.

Everybody is sure entitled to their own opinion, but in my mind Mack is not superior to Intamin when it comes to ride experience.
 

Ethan

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

_koppen said:
Mack is not a cheap company. They are from Germany, and their products are all about quality. Blue Fire costed almost 20 million euros for the park to build, so they do cost a lot of money.

Everybody is sure entitled to their own opinion, but in my mind Mack is not superior to Intamin when it comes to ride experience.

Your post was about price comparison, not general costs. Don't change your argument!
 

gavin

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Blue Fire would have cost that much because it's the first of its type. It's bound to cost more as they had to completely develop it from scratch. It would be fair to assume that future coasters of a similar size would cost a bit less.

Anyway, it's not the best idea to suddenly hail Mack as the new gods of the launch coaster. Blue Fire is excellent, and I personally preferred it to the Intamin equivalents, but until more of that type have been built, it's a bit stupid to claim that "Mack are superior".

They've got one coaster that I'd say is excellent, and we don't know yet whether or not that's a complete fluke until more start opening up. The rest of their stuff is **** to be fair.
 

_koppen

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

Ethan said:
_koppen said:
Mack is not a cheap company. They are from Germany, and their products are all about quality. Blue Fire costed almost 20 million euros for the park to build, so they do cost a lot of money.

Everybody is sure entitled to their own opinion, but in my mind Mack is not superior to Intamin when it comes to ride experience.

Your post was about price comparison, not general costs. Don't change your argument!

Well, how am I supposed to argue for price comparison without numbers???

Sure, a Mack Wild Mouse is cheaper then an Xcelerator clone.
But if this park wants a Megalite coaster, then one from Mack is going to be just as expensive as one from Intamin. Were not comparing the general cost for a Mack coaster, with one from Intamin. Mack has only built one big expensive thrill coaster.

Were talking about a price comparison about a Megalite from Intamin, and one from Mack, wich I believe would cost about the same.
 

Ethan

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

^ Because you didn't compare the numbers. You just gave a price for a MACK coaster...
 

_koppen

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

Well, sorry for that, I just assumed that every coaster geek on this board already knows how much an Intamin coaster costs.
 

_koppen

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

gavin said:
Blue Fire would have cost that much because it's the first of its type. It's bound to cost more as they had to completely develop it from scratch.

That's Mack expense. The park itself would not have paid anything for the developing for this coaster, that Mack would have already done. Sure Mack owns the park, but it's two different company's.
 

Ethan

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

_koppen said:
gavin said:
Blue Fire would have cost that much because it's the first of its type. It's bound to cost more as they had to completely develop it from scratch.

That's Mack expense. The park itself would not have paid anything for the developing for this coaster, that Mack would have already done. Sure Mack owns the park, but it's two different company's.

It's not a case of WHO pays it, it's the cost that we are talking about here.

_koppen said:
Well, sorry for that, I just assumed that every coaster geek on this board already knows how much an Intamin coaster costs.

Perhaps most of us here aren't nerds and have social lives... End of argument :)
 

_koppen

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

Ethan said:
It's not a case of WHO pays it, it's the cost that we are talking about here.

What I'm trying to say is that I do not think that the cost includes the development of the coaster.
 

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Re: 2013 - New MACK Launched Megacoaster for France !

^Not fully, but at the end of the day it's obvious that a new concept ride (as in, any new ride technology for any manufacturer) is going to cost more to produce and that is bound to be reflected in the cost of the ride to the park. It's the same with nearly any prototyping/release of a new product.

How much the costs are passed on is debatable, but there will be some impact on it for sure.
 
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