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Intamin pre-fab didn't catch on

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I live within an easy drive of Great Adventure, so I've become a big fan of El Toro. It's fast, smooth, and has excellent air, and I have to imagine that it was cheaper than a steel coaster of comparable size.

Fast, smooth, great air, and relatively inexpensive...sounds like a park's dream.

I think that there are only three total pre-fab wood coasters in the world, with the last one opening in 2008. How did it not catch on?
 
Ive always wondered the same thing. There are currently 4 operating with T express being the last built. Intamin still offer them in their ride catalog so its not a case of them not selling them anymore. I'd assume that the Pre Fabrication method is cheaper than steel but still more expensive than regular wooden coasters. Also although us enthusiasts notice the difference in the smoothness and quality between a pre fab and a regular woodie the general public probably don't notice the difference enough to justify the additional costs for a park. I'd also assume that because Intamin are largely associated with Steel coasters they therefore may be overlooked as a woodie manufacturer when The Gravity Group and GCI exist solely to provide wooden coasters. Numerous other predominantly steel manufacturers have had a punt at wooden coasters and none have really taken off. For example S&S, Vekoma and Gerstlauer have all made a handful of woodies without them ever taking off even though these wooden coasters are largely well praised with in the enthusiast community.

Perhaps Intamin see these pre fab coasters as a bit of a burdenous job and would rather construct steel coasters given the choice yet still offer them just in case another huge project like T express comes up.

Regardless i'd love to see more pop up. I've not yet ridden one.

UPDATE. Just had a nosey and El toro cost $12.5 million whilst the closest comparison (The Voyage at HW) cost $6.5 million and both were built within two years of each other so inflation is negligible.
 
With a higher capital cost that approaches steel coaster costs, it can be difficult for parks to swallow with marginal benefit. That is, while it is a wooden coaster that rides like a steel coaster - why not buy a steel coaster?

An thing to bear in mind with wooden coaster is cost of upkeep and maintenance. While the pre-fab allows for greater longevity of track and components, wood will ultimately decay and require replacement. Steel coasters on the other hand only ask for a fresh coat of paint every so often, and even then that is optional for many parks.

To complicate matters further, RMC's Iron Horse treatment is allowing amusement parks with large wooden coasters to breath new life into older structures, fulfilling need for new, large wooden coasters. And if RMC can build a totally new Iron Horse (non retrofit) at a lower cost than the Intamin Pre-fab with greater variety of elements and all steel track... the writing is on the wall for Intamin Pre-fab.
 
I actually have a few thoughts about this.

1) Capital Cost. El Toro's cost is listed as around $12mil, which isn't outrageous considering the size of the ride. This would seem to work in favour of the pre-fabs, but I can't help but feeling that total lifetime cost of a ride like this (see my second point) might be higher.

2) Maintenance. Steel coasters do require maintenance (a lot), but woodies need even more. This can easily count against the pre-fabs, as parks will be looking at their daily running costs as well as their initial capital outlay. Add a more expensive initial cost (compared to other woodies) and more expensive maintenance (compared to other steel coasters) then... why bother?

3) Do parks want rides like this at all? Let's (for the sake of argument) put a cap at 200ft and look at major [ejector] airtime coasters in that bracket. We could extend that to any height really, but it's not quite comparing like for like as there aren't any true woodies over 200ft. So what have we really got? The Mega-Lites (currently four), maybe the Mack Mega-Coasters (currently three), Skyrush? I'm struggling to think of any more immediately off the top of my head. That only totals to eight, it's hardly like the steel equivalents are massively popular. Is it that parks just don't look for rides of this type very often? Woodies aren't unpopular, big steel coasters aren't unpopular, but the big [ejector] airtime coasters don't seem to be - regardless of their material. My theory is that, for the most part, parks aren't looking for these types of rides.

4) RMC? Obviously another contender now. Not a great deal to say about this, other than that the pre-fab market has probably suffered due to these sorts of intense, smooth and wacky coasters becoming so readily available.

Maybe it's something different altogether, but there's my two cents.
 
I can't see Europe getting another one because they would be a lot more expensive because of both inflation and the fact that things in the US are leagues cheaper than Europe. Balder is considerably smaller than El Toro yet it cost $100,000 more and that was way back in 2003! If an El Toro clone was built in a European or UK park today, lets say Thorpe in this instance, I can say with 99% certainty it would cost more than twice as much and at least $25million+. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 25million pounds ($39million).
 
I've been on two Pre-fabs and although they're fun, I find them slightly overrated. I'm in the minority here as they are often considered to be excellent coasters in the eyes of most enthusiasts and the "general public".

I don't really know why they're not so popular in terms of number built. It's an odd one. Perhaps a lot of it is down to perceived value. No manufacturer has a set price list. 99% of the time, the cost is determined by several factors including demand, location and size of project.

Because Pre-Fab are rated highly by riders, the cost of them will be bumped up - sellers perceived value. However, when a park owner considers that it's a plug and play system rather than something that is bespoke and lovingly crafted to suit their park, the buyers perceived value is lower. If there is no median cost, neither the seller or the buy will want to make a transaction.

Tbh, I don't really know. It's Friday afternoon and I'm rambling away.
 
I've done all four; therefore my opinion is correct.

It's a coaster model. That's it. As good or bad as they are, from a business perspective, what's the point really?

This time last year, I'd have defended them to the death. T-Express is amazing and I loved El Toro and Collossos.

However....

The stuff that M&V/Gravity Group are doing now matches it EASILY. I haven't done an RMC yet, but yeah.

That's why.
 
I also believe the sheer size of the pre-fabs could be an issue too. Three of the four prefabs are among the top three(!) tallest wooden coasters currently in operation, and the last is the seventh biggest pure wooden coaster built after 2000 - again, of which the top 3 are the other prefabs. In the relevant time period, only Thundercoaster, Wodan and Coaster Express have matched the four prefabs in size. The market for so big coasters made out of wood can't have been that big to begin with, even before RMC began eating into it too. When the prefabs were introduced, most parks who could afford/want a huge wooden coaster had already got one. The rest of the woodie market is dominated by rides which are a lot smaller, and for small coasters the pre-fab production method is less competitive.

Speaking of competition, gavin hit the nail on the head too. "It's a coaster type". And since the turn of the millennium, when prefabs started hitting the market, we've had a bit of a revolution on the coaster type front. Seriously, look it up, and see how many of the ride types we now take for granted didn't exist before 1995. Parks used to have a rather small catalogue of coasters to choose between, for big thrill rides you could basically boil it down to "large steel coaster that loops", "large steel coaster that doesn't loop", or "large wooden coaster, which cannot loop". This is exaggerating slightly, but it's still astounding how much the selection of coasters has ballooned in recent years (another example: try playing RCT2, which included pretty much every coaster type known to mankind when it was made, and count how many currently-popular rides are missing). The pre-fabs are competing in a market which is a lot more diverse than it used to be only a decade earlier. It's no longer just wood vs. steel, but wood vs. hyper vs. looper vs. dive machine vs. invert vs.... you get the point. For huge thrill rides, parks simply have so many options nowadays that woodies kinda disappear into the mix. And traditional woodies might be perceived as harder to market, seeing as they can't perform inversions or feature fancy trains, or for that matter launch (getting the ride up to speed with a launch, as opposed to a huge lift hill, saves tons of money in bureaucracy and construction costs). The big woodies that get built nowadays, are those modified to do all those things woodies normally can't. Prefabs are simply a little too old-fashioned in today's busy market, and the market was nearly saturated already when the big boom began.

Here's hoping for China, though.
 
Wooden coasters aren't really unpopular, though, are they? I get that the RMCs invert and none of the others do, but they seem to be pretty popular and also quite large. Goliath's drop is longer than El Toro's, so parks are willing to build big wood coasters. Why not an airtime machine like El Toro? It's not like the really popular steel coasters invert, so why should the wood ones?

If Holiday World---one of the last big parks not to break the 200-foot mark (and a place I've unfortunatley not yet visited)---wanted to install a hypercoaster, it would make sense to me for them to take a layout like El Toro's and scale it up by 30 feet, because then they can have a bunch of records (tallest, fastest, longest drop, maybe steepest drop or even longest wood coaster) to advertise while going by their philosophy of not doing steel coasters unless they really want a wing. I suspect that they would not have trouble selling the idea of the world's tallest and fastest wood coaster.

(I love the idea of a pre-fab hyper, and a follow-up to why pre-fabs never caught on, I've wondered why Great Adventure didn't make El Toro a couple of feet taller, or at least how no one has built a wooden hyper since Son of Beast despite Intamin (and RMC) offering the manufacturing techniques to do it properly.)
 
The problem is, most parks either already have a couple of wooden coasters, or they're trying to get rid of them, not add them.

Parks now a days are trying to add uniqueness to draw guests. And if we're talking wooden record breakers, Gravity Group and RMC can build bigger for cheaper, and in the US anyway, both have better reputations.
 
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