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The drop makes Orion the first giga that uses its terrain, so that's extremely unique and worthwhile. Plus it's 85 degrees, which is the steepest of any of the B&M gigas. Come on, does everyone really have to be so obtuse all the time in your quest to **** all over this? Don't you have anything...

Each element is unique, different from each other, and distinctive from other rides, so I think it is a great variety.

I don’t know where you’re getting the four number, I’m seeing seven elements. It might not have as many pure airtime hills, but I think it has a great variety of different elements. Lift and drop “Wave” turn Turnaround Speed hill Camelback Helix Weird dive thing

Don't complain about the length when Shambhala is even shorter. This is short for B&M gigas, but there's a lot of unique elements that I think will pack a punch.

It’s 38 degrees and has never run before. It looks faster than I expected, personally. Don’t fret if it looks slow to you, it will warm up.

The snap going through the helix really surprised me, this is going to have better pacing than what people initially thought in my opinion.

I’m still waiting on my Apollo 170 shirt.

The helix looks very interesting. Never seen an element quite like that. Orion will certainly have some very unique and distinctive elements.

And the webcams will be down for a while. https://kicentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35959-psa-orion-live-stream/

Idk, Mystic Timbers is definitely an elite coaster. Everyone was talking about how awful it is, etc. when it was announced and now it’s the best ride in the park. Funny how no one ever learns. But it’s not an Intamin or RMC, so everyone on here is going to pretend they hate it.

You have a good point, but look at Steel Vengeance. Probably the best coaster ever built from an enthusiast perspective. But 2018 was a tremendously dissapointing year for Cedar Point in terms of attendance. Nobody came to ride it. I think you can make a case that Steel Vengeance looks/rides...

Sure, but I don't think it's right to rip apart a ride that was not designed for you specifically in mind. Of course you're going to say you're not going to like it.

I don't care what the height is. It's taller than anything else in the park that guests can be at. You'll be up higher than you are on Drop Tower, Windseeker, Eiffel Tower, etc. The height doesn't affect the ride experience anyways, it's the drop that counts. If the lift had been over 300 feet...

Wow, this is a ridiculous claim. They have the same drop height--in fact, Orion's drop is even steeper than MF. Orion looks to be a better ride--a great variety of elements vs. MF's forcless overbanks and straight track. But everyone is going to say MF is better because how dare Orion be a...