World Cup Brazil 2014

[tomahawk]

Why not, you know, just atop the clock like every other sport does though?

90% of Americans who go the parks and **** are just going because their friends are and have no idea what the **** they're watching, and just react like everyone else.

I can't take a sport seriously when if someone comes close, you fly across the ground like you were shot with a **** mortar shell, and when you don't get the call, they just jump up like nothing happens. Also getting a card is something kindergartners here get when their bad, so seeing a ref wave a little yellow flag makes me laugh.

I don't understand how people can murder refs and players if they don't do well. It's a **** game.

 

[Smithy]

You definitely come across as somebody keen to learn.

**** hell if it bothers you that much why bother even trying to understand it?

Maybe, and this is a novel idea, the people who've gone to the parks to watch the games live with other like minded people have shown something you seem to be incapable of using; an open mind.

Aye the referee using cards as a punishment and the linesman using flags is obviously hilarious, I mean, it's not like refs over in the NFL throw down their hankies when there's a foul?

Lul as nicely as I can put it, if you don't get it, and don't want to get it, **** off.

 

[Ben]

Hold on, Americans moaning about stoppage time.

Americans?

I'm confused. You know we're not talking about American Football? I don't even like Football, but that's a stupid thing to say.

And why wouldn't you want to watch it with people? I went to the pub Monday after work with people and we had a great night watching the two matches, you know, socialising?

 

[rtotheizzo17]

^Not complaining about the length or pace of play, just how is stoppage time calculated? Seems like its some magic # that the refs makeup depending on the score and if a favorite is losing, IE +5 with Portugal down a goal.

 

[Smithy]

Up to each referee how much time is added on, some may have a watch that they stop when the think a player is time-wasting or there's a stoppage in play, others may estimate. The biggest bug bear of mine is not how much or how little stoppage time there is but it's when they play too little or too much of it.

 

[nealbie]

I guess if you were to take stoppage time literally, then it would be confusing that it's not 15 or so minutes each half, every time. But I don't see what's so difficult to understand about it?

Smithy gives a very clear answer.

 

[Pierre]

Ref's are supposed to add 30 seconds stoppage time for a goal scored, 30 seconds for a substitution (coming from my bro who was a qualified ref at lower levels). I know it takes longer for both of these to occur to get the game going again but that's why you see tactical substitutions at 89 mins e.t.c ... to run the clock down. Playing the rules to their advantage (something my 81 year old father can't grasp to this day).

Anything else is at their own discretion as Smithy has explained.

'Flying across the ground like they'd been hit by a mortar shell' is frustrating I agree, and is the reason I don't get excited about El Clasico (Barcelona V Real Madrid) - worst culprits ever (especially Sergio Busquets!)

 

[tomahawk]

Ref's are supposed to add 30 seconds stoppage time for a goal scored, 30 seconds for a substitution (coming from my bro who was a qualified ref at lower levels). I know it takes longer for both of these to occur to get the game going again but that's why you see tactical substitutions at 89 mins e.t.c ... to run the clock down. Playing the rules to their advantage (something my 81 year old father can't grasp to this day).

Anything else is at their own discretion as Smithy has explained.

'Flying across the ground like they'd been hit by a mortar shell' is frustrating I agree, and is the reason I don't get excited about El Clasico (Barcelona V Real Madrid) - worst culprits ever (especially Sergio Busquets!)

Thank you! I appreciate an actual non dickish explanation.

Ben, there's a **** difference than grabbing a beer and watching a game than standing in some drunk dudes piss for three hours because no one can move due to compactness of everyone.

Been to plenty of NFL games and have never seen a beer hat, and foam fingers are well, kids souvineers 9/10 times. Flags, OK, but scarves in summer? Please. Also, at least the NFL refs throwing a 'hankee' means something other than a **** warning.

 

[nealbie]

I still am a qualified lower league ref, Pierre, and I've never come across that as a solid rule (the 30 second thing). It wouldn't surprise me if that's what their course instructor told them as a guideline though.

Generally speaking, when officiating I'll go along similar lines as your bro during the 90 minutes, give my figure (let's say 4 minutes), but after the 90 I ensure that there is 4 minutes of football so during added time I stopped my watch.

When I started back in 2005 I wanted to do it as fairly as rugby and actually stopped my watch (you have to wear two) but quickly realised that you only ever actually have about 25 minutes of football every half and doing it literally would be a touch farcical! :lol:

Tomahawk, I get what you're saying about the scarves and it does look daft in the heat of summer, but football is a winter sport traditionally so it's become a big merchandise item for all clubs, which naturally extends to the national teams. Hope that makes sense.

 

[Darren B]

^^Both the yellow & red car have been a staple of football for over a century, as has supporters wearing scarves to support their team. Remember, football is generally played within the colder months of the year so wearing a scarf isn't particularly a strange concept, especially in England (where the game was born).

You've said you want to learn about the game but yet all you seem to want to do is mock football and it's supporters. If you weren't an established member I'd make the assumption that you're trolling this topic.

You can't come in here mocking football (the MOST popular sport to ever grace our planet) but then try and defend equally 'ridiculous' traits of American Football. For the record I enjoy American sports so I'm not in the majority of those who believe that American Football is a feminine version of rugby (but you can clearly see why people do), the hankie as smithy stated is slightly weird to some us, but again, I understand the sport so I won't knock it. However one thing I'll never understand is WHY do you call it FOOTBALL? You only kick during particular parts of the game (5% maximum) and by a specialist member of the team, that's not football. If you want to pick faults in another sport, especially one that eclipses the sport you're comparing it too, make sure to remember in future that you call your game FOOTBALL. That's ridiculous my friend.

 

[tomahawk]

It's called football because the ball measures 12", one foot. Hence, football.

 

[Darren B]

We call ours football because it uses a ball and we use our foot to kick it. Much easier logic.

 

[Smithy]

Also, at least the NFL refs throwing a 'hankee' means something other than a **** warning.

What, and giving a yellow card that means if you get another you're off for the rest of the game doesn't mean anything?

Oh yeah, in the NFL it can mean you've celebrated excessively :roll:

 

[Ben]

Ben, there's a **** difference than grabbing a beer and watching a game than standing in some drunk dudes piss for three hours because no one can move due to compactness of everyone.

That literally never happens. If that's how it happens in America you're doing it wrong, and we Brits can't help you get it right. We learnt that with spelling.

It's called football because the ball measures 12", one foot. Hence, football.

Hmmm...

The football itself is an oval ball, similar to balls used in rugby or Australian rules football.[65] At all levels of play, the football is inflated to 12 1⁄2 to 13 1⁄2 pounds per square inch (psi) and weighs 14 to 15 ounces (397 to 425 grams),[64][66][67] but the exact dimensions vary slightly; in professional play the ball has a long axis of 11 to 11 1⁄4 inches, a long circumference of 28 to 28 1⁄2 inches, and a short axis of 21 to 21 1⁄4 inches, while in college and high school play the ball has a long axis of 10 7⁄8 to 11 7⁄16 inches, a long circumference of 27 3⁄4 to 28 1⁄2 inches, and a short circumference of 20 3⁄4 to 21 1⁄4 inches.[64][66]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football#Field_and_equipment

It's called American Football because it evolved from Rugby Football. We seasonably drop the 'football' from Rugby in 99% of conversations.

 

[rtotheizzo17]

^^Both the yellow & red car have been a staple of football for over a century, as has supporters wearing scarves to support their team. Remember, football is generally played within the colder months of the year so wearing a scarf isn't particularly a strange concept, especially in England (where the game was born).

You've said you want to learn about the game but yet all you seem to want to do is mock football and it's supporters. If you weren't an established member I'd make the assumption that you're trolling this topic.

You can't come in here mocking football (the MOST popular sport to ever grace our planet) but then try and defend equally 'ridiculous' traits of American Football. For the record I enjoy American sports so I'm not in the majority of those who believe that American Football is a feminine version of rugby (but you can clearly see why people do), the hankie as smithy stated is slightly weird to some us, but again, I understand the sport so I won't knock it. However one thing I'll never understand is WHY do you call it FOOTBALL? You only kick during particular parts of the game (5% maximum) and by a specialist member of the team, that's not football. If you want to pick faults in another sport, especially one that eclipses the sport you're comparing it too, make sure to remember in future that you call your game FOOTBALL. That's ridiculous my friend.

What does that say about the world, that the most popular sport still has to have say no to racism statements?

At least in America we keep our racism to the diner table and job hiring practices.

 

[Smithy]

Or the name of one of your biggest sports teams lul.

 

[rtotheizzo17]

Or the name of one of your biggest sports teams lul.

Fair enough. Although I wouldnt necassarily compare a slang word that a good portion of the "offended" party identify with to throwing bananas at black players.

 

[Darren B]

^^You also have to remember that football is a global sport, American sports really arn't. Although I don't condone racism it isn't a surprise that it still exists in football with so many cultural differences.

 

[Jarrett]

My prediction for this:
1st- Messi (Argentina, but mainly just Messi )
2nd- Germany
3rd- Netherlands
4th- Brazil

And it's not FIFA, but I was watching American Major League Soccer today and one of the Sporting Kansas City guys scored a goal and immediately ran up to the stands and took a selfie with a group of fans up front...and got a yellow card in the first ever yellow card given out for taking a selfie! XD My chin hit the floor!

EDIT: Link: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/07/mls-pla ... ellow-card

 

[tomahawk]

And if I needed another reason to hate the sport lol.