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RCF

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tomahawkKSU said:
That theory is really based on location though.

Yeah I meant to add that but I guess I didn't. That would have been a little bit more explained. My bad.

And if it seemed as if I was arguing with the "people going for coasters alone" I wasn't. Just thought I'd let y'all know. I was merely saying it seems like more of a cheap gimmick that people will usually drool over, IF you're within range. I can totally see tomahawkKSU and UC's points and they're excellent points.
 

Xpress

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tomahawKSU said:
RCF said:
It seems to me that UC has it right. Quality over quantity works 99.99% of the time. That other .01 percent are those people who think more rides= better park (s15c). Whilst having the most coasters is a big title, it really (at least in my mind) sort of a cheap gimmick to bring people into a park. Yes I'm sure Magic Mountain is a fantastic park already, but the fact that they have the title, "Amusement park with the most roller coasters" it'll bring a lot more people in.

Look at it from the GP's POV. If you're planning a trip to go to any amusement park, which one would you choose? A small, yet quality park such as Knoebels? Or the park with the most roller coasters, Magic Mountain/Cedar Point (time not of the essence)? Naturally you'd choose the park with the bigger, and most, rides. Half the rides could suck, and people will continue to be brought in because of the coaster title.

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That theory is really based on location though. A family won't go halfway across the country to go to the park with the most rides unless it has something ELSE to offer. That would just be dumb, quality wins 100% of the time. The best park I ever have been to hasn't added a new REAL coaster, since what, 2005? (SFGAm) and that park is just amazing. It has everything, which 99.999999% of people look for when planning a trip. Sorry, but that mentality that people go only for coasters is wrong.

s15c
Why do you honestly think Disney has the type of crowds they do? Two things. One, history. They are historically known as being great in every aspect for the families. When you go to a Disney park, besides DCA until now, you literally feel like you are in a magical world. If I go to SFMM, CP, WoF, etc. it feels like I am just in a park, or concrete park, not a different "world" so to say. Secondly, its called the mouse. You know, the most iconic cartoon character in the world. Kids don't look at Snoopy and go ape <img> like they do for Mickey. Its a global brand, and thats why people make the effort to go to Disney more than other places.

When Disney does do coasters, they DO COASTERS. There are no parking lots, no graffiti, no bottles in plants etc. They theme it to the nth degree, excluding DCA again. You get thrown into the story, not walk by it as if its something to look at if the line is long. They get away with 1-4 coasters per park, because guess what, they don't need more. They hit capacity a lot, and they offer so much more than coasters.

For enthusiasts, yeah we WANT more coasters, but you know what, as enthusiasts, WE DON'T bring them the money. We have passes, back our own lunches, get free cups of water, MAYBE buy an occasional shirt, but thats it. Families buy multi day tickets, spend tons of money on food, gifts for relatives, they make the trip be memorable by the <img> they bring home, what do we make it memorable by? Were the credits worth it.

So it is 100% quality over quantity. I would much rather see rides with a story, theme, then another parking lot coaster, or, since Mean Streak constantly gets brought up, a new wooden coaster to replace it, because 90% of the people who don't come yearly, or care, will think its the same ride since its wood. I.E. Terminator.

I agree with you 100%.

(about Terminator, most of the GP actually knows it's a new ride since SFMM did a LOT of localized advertising)
 

tomahawk

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When I brought up Terminator, I saw all the ads they did for the locals, my parents lived in cali and I saw a lot of commercials when I went to visit, but for those who weren't local, but had been there, they could believe it was the same coaster.
 

Thekingin64

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For me to add to this discussion/argument, altough I love coasters sometimes due to the shortness of most, I can get bored with them sometimes and need something like a flat ride to keep me amused. If a park has nothing but coasters or hardly any flats ie SFMM, I will get bored easily.

UC said:
s15c said:
Building more coaster beyond that is obviously a poor investment if you can get bigger crowds with less (at least with the way you're saying things).

No, what I'm saying is that you are WRONG when you say that building coasters is the only way to success.

You stated above that a park's goal is to build the most coasters. You are wrong.

This is basically backing up what I just said. Coasters are not the only way to success, Flats and theming are needed aswell. But, if a park want to chase up a record that no-one really cares about, They can but probably won't as much profit as a park with a small amount of coasters and some Flats.

Also, Due to all this, I think that Flamingoland is a better park then PBB because of a more even balance between Flats and Coasters.
 

s15c

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I REALIZE coasters aren't the only reason people go to parks. You're taking what I'm saying and making it extreme. I'm saying coasters are a major part. You keep correcting me and saying they're not the only thing. I know they aren't. They're a very, very major part.

And as for your question about how these 19 parks have 4 or less coasters and are in the top 25, that's because they aren't going for the thrill seeker crowd. They want the family crowd, and to attract the family there are a whole lot of other things you can do that don't involve coasters at all. I must have forgotten to say that in my last post (I was half asleep).

So though your argument is valid, it isn't what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about amusement parks, I'm talking about thrill parks. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I go to parks for the coasters. Yes, quality of coaster is very important. But still, it's a coaster.

But what RCF wrote about us being enthusiasts and wanting more coasters, that is what makes sense to me. I got that. I realize now that I guess there either aren't as many people who truly like roller coasters, or those who love coasters love them a lot and don't bring much income. I just didn't think about this. Maybe if you wouldn't just say I'm wrong you could actually give me the fact behind why. That, and if you look at the times of posting, it's either after my bedtime or before my wake up time. I'm a cranky little 3 year old :p

But can you at least understand why I would think rides, particularly coasters, would be the drive of parks? I'm not in any economics classes or anything, I'm in the 8th grade. But what I'm interested in is the view of people on this website as opposed to the non-enthusiasts. I will post a poll about what gets you to go to parks, just particularly for my interest. I'll go around my school with the same question.

As for the total confusion of what my brain was thinking about... Good question. I hit the return button twice and then my thought process changed and knew I was wrong. Probably because my song changed from God Hates Us to Seize the Day. Stupid subliminal messages making me go from angry to not so angry. Well, I don't expect you to post a statement about whatever it was I said earlier (I'm on my iTouch, scrolling up is not easy, or even possible, for that matter). Well, now that I feel like and idiot, I'll go hide now. After posting my poll.
 

Xpress

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People go to theme parks to have a good time- it doesn't necessarily HAVE to have rides. For all some people care, it could be filled with carnival games, and that would be more than enough for them.
 

Xpress

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SnooSnoo said:
Stop lying Xpress. Those people aren't really having fun.

You're right, they're spending unnecessary amounts of money which is hurting their wallets too much to enjoy.
 
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