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Wooden Hypercoasters

Discussion in 'General Discussions & Opinions' started by reddude333, Feb 5, 2011.

  1. reddude333

    reddude333 Well-Known Member

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    Now I know the discussion of Son of Beast often gets messy on this forum so I would rather like to address the idea of wooden hypercoasters. So currently there is not one on the planet (at least not one that is technically in existence). What do people think the probability/possibility of wooden hypercoaster entering the scene is...now I know Colossos is very close with its maximum height, but ideally I am referring to a coaster with a 200+ foot drop.* Many have told me that it seems unlikely because the trains used in one would be potentially too wearing on the track, but this problem has been somewhat addressed over the years.

    Note: I know what the definition of hypercoaster is, but I am more interested in the possibility of a hypercoaster in terms of drop height.
     
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    Hixee Most Knowledgeable Member 2016 Staff Member Moderator CF Award Winner 2016

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    It strikes me as more to do with cost really.

    If you were considering a wooden coaster in excess of 200ft then you've got a awful lot of wood to use to do so. Look at any of the B&M Hyper coasters, or even I305 and look how efficiently they use the supports. Having all that wood would be expensive.

    Not to mention the fact that wood could be difficult to analyse structurally (in terms of grain flow etc) than steel. I just don't see it happening any time soon.
     
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    furie SBOPD Staff Member Administrator Moderator CF Award Winner 2016

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    The wooden coaster at Alton was meant to have a 200 foot drop, heading into the valley; which is why it was such a shame it never happened.

    I do think that's the only way it's going to happen though, through terrain. Yes, it's not really a hyper coaster, but I think that it's one in spirit... If it was to ever happen...
     
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    It's not to do as much with cost as you'd think. It's generally cheaper to build a wooden coaster than a steel equivalent.

    That said, there is an issue with maintenance, I would think.

    There's also a question of "why?" I mean why do it? Wooden coasters are, by and large, still built because of their "old-school" feel to them. Granted, there are modern liberties taken - GCI's smooth Millennium Flyers, Gravity Group's wicked twists and banks...but by and large, wooden coasters tend to be built for a purpose other than that a hypercoaster would serve.

    I guess the closest you'd get would potentially be Intamin's pre-fab wooden coasters...but with those, the "wooden" feel is highly debatable.

    The most significant reason you don't see it is - I believe - because there's not really a niche for them. It's the same reason why you don't see wooden launched coasters.
     
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    I'm really glad someone with as high a standing and reputation within the CF community as UC agrees with me with regards to the debatable 'wooden' feel on the Intamin pre-fabs. :)

    They just feel for all the world (and ride) like an Intamin Hyper. There's no soul to them, they may as well be a steel coaster. This doesn't detract from their brilliance, mind. Just means I feel I can't adore them in the same way as a conventional wooden coaster with all of its quintessential charms.

    Which leads me to believe, with regards to this topic, why a taller Colossos or El Toro hasn't been made just for the sake of it. It's clearly not beyond the realms of possibility for Intamin to add 10 or 20 feet in height; but at the same time is there really a paying market for just getting a height record for the sake of?

    So yeah, in essence, it CAN happen - I just don't see WHY a park would feel it necessary at this time.
     
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    Tim Well-Known Member

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    I'm fairly certain we'll see the wooden loop appear again before we see the hypercoaster attempt return
     
  7. reddude333

    reddude333 Well-Known Member

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    All of these responses seem to be realistic, but I kinda like coasters breaking a record, just for the sake of breaking a record (call me coaster shallow or whatnot). In the coaster business being the biggest and best is often the main goal.

    I don't think there is really any reason it would be hard to make a wood hypercoaster though...

    I would just like to point out though, that having a height of 200+ feet OR having a drop of 200+ feet qualify a coaster to be a hypercoaster. But I think it looks more impressive to have it be both qualifying in terms of height and drop.

    Wooden coasters do have a sort of nostalgic element to them, but times have changed and the face of wooden coasters is not set in stone with classic out-and-back coasters with large amounts of airtime...just saying...

    I like what Intamin has done in the more recent years and I still qualify what they produce as wooden coasters even if they are smooth and lack many of the classic woodie features.

    On a last note, I think another loop attempt will not show up until after the hypercoaster mark is reached...thats just my call...
     
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    Dave Well-Known Member

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    Plus the footprint for a Hyper Wooden is just massive, as you have the large side supports helping to prop up the central bents.

    Look at the size of Son of Beast footprint, it just tears through the woodland.

    http://rcdb.com/584.htm?p=738
     
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    We are aware of the design of one of the main coasters "backing-up" your argument right?.......

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    Just checking. ;) :p
     
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    reddude333 Well-Known Member

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    I was simply saying that regarding the discussion of some of the newer twisting coasters.

    And in regards to the massive blueprint, yes I realize this is true, but you have to admit it would look kool...
     
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    Time for some more pics!!

    Twisting woodies aren't exactly new, as evidenced by this ride:

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    And many others.
     
  12. UC

    UC Well-Known Member

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    Except rides are built for functionality. "Looking cool" is not a way to justify millions of dollars of an investment.
     
  13. Ben

    Ben Best SM Team Member 2016 CF Award Winner 2016

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    I see your Cyclone, and raise you the mother of all twisted woodies...

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    reddude333 Well-Known Member

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    I know that there have been twisters in the past, but I was referring specifically to the new twisters that were being discussed and talking about how Intamin coasters are smooth...anyway, that is hardly on-topic.

    And sorry if I think having a coaster look kool is important...by no means I said it was the most important aspect. It was not meant as a justification, just a point that I wanted to make.
     
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    But you have to admit that looking cool can catch your attention. Though not exactly worth building a ride of questionable quality.

    That's my big thought. I mean, if you did a pre-fab, it wouldn't be wooden (in my mind, anyway). If you did a regular woodie, you'd probably need to see a chiropractor after getting off.


    EDIT: Having two people talking on the same thread with the same icon is probably a bad idea. Just making sure someone with ADD doesn't think we're the same person or something.
     
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    Form follows function.

    You aren't going to build a 200 ft. coaster for the sake of it "looking cool."

    This is real life, with real money - not RCT.
     
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    reddude333 Well-Known Member

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    I think it's funny that you keep making the same point over and over regardless of the fact that both of us have stated that we agree and were simply making an observation. Not only is it obvious that building something "for the sake of it 'looking cool'" is not reasonable, but we have agreed and you just think it's somehow worth stating it over and over...
     
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    1. I've said it twice. Hardly "repeating over and over."

    2. The second time I said it, I was making a reference to my initial point, since the quote:

    ...was mis-guided with reference to what I had said, due to the following factors:

    -I never stated a good looking ride wouldn't catch attention.

    -Building a ride just to look cool isn't justifiable with any kind of ride quality, let alone "questionable."

    So yes, it was more than necessary to state my point a second time. If you'd care to discuss the matter further, I'll gladly make a fourth post on it as well.
     
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    reddude333 Well-Known Member

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    Okay, well, for the third time I will say that I agree with your point in every way and the only reason I mentioned it is because there is an importance to looking impressive...I would never even suggest that this has any precedence over safety, but as evident in the realm of business, something that is more aesthetically pleasing is more likely to make a bigger impression on consumers and is a major selling point to the public...
     
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    And for the second time, I never disagreed that there is value in looking impressive.

    However, apart from choosing a ride location in some circumstances, the rule is that form always follows function in any successful ride design (or successful anything, for that matter).

    That's all I was trying to say. We were discussing the feasibility of hyper wooden coasters, and why they aren't built often. I was stating that impressive looks really aren't a factor in the decision, because the other factors far, far outweigh it.
     

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