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Thorpe Park | Derren Brown's Ghost Train | VR Attraction

Discussion in 'Other Ride Construction' started by pitchnoir, Aug 26, 2014.

  1. davidm

    davidm Well-Known Member

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    Ha, see - my point proved ; reacting to a fake-headline not the story, the world of Trump strikes again. ;)
     
  2. Ian

    Ian From CoasterForce Staff Member Administrator Moderator Social Media Team CF Award Winner 2016

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    Here's a (well edited, I must say) video of people reacting to the new cartoon.

     
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    DelPiero Well-Known Member

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    Have they added non liability forms yet? Not scary enough until they do.
     
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    ATTACKHAMMER Social Media Team Staff Member Social Media Team

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    I had the opportunity to ride this on Monday, after signing an NDA. I will not give away any spoilers. The new version is a huge improvement! It is scarier although I found the scares quite predictable. At one point I was laughing at what was going on. I would recommend re-riding as the improvement is clear.
    The one thing that has not been improved is the storyline, which remains quite confusing.
     
  5. HeartlineCoaster

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    Did you think the new VR was an improvement? I didn't at all.
    The extra bit was half decent, but will only work once.
    I signed nothing, so does anyone care for spoilers? I imagine you've all suppressed its existence.
     
  6. ATTACKHAMMER

    ATTACKHAMMER Social Media Team Staff Member Social Media Team

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    I did not notice in difference in VR quality.
     
  7. HeartlineCoaster

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    Not the quality, not the details.
    Whether the content of the VR was an improvement or not.
     
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  8. Hixee

    Hixee Flojector Staff Member Moderator CF Award Winner 2016

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    Unfortunately, this is probably your answer for now:
     
  9. ATTACKHAMMER

    ATTACKHAMMER Social Media Team Staff Member Social Media Team

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    Oh my mistake. I would say there has been improvement.
     
  10. Benenen

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    The new VR section is mainly live action which adds to the atmosphere. It's decent but not world class OMG this is nuts sort of status
     
  11. Howie

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    I was pretty savage in my appraisal of this first time round. The thing is though, I meant every word of it. I didn't call it 'Derren Brown's Giant Turd' just to get some cheap laughs, I genuinely felt that this was the worst theme park attraction ever built.

    But wait... what's this? They've revamped it? Made it scarier, have they? Turned the fear factor up from an 8 to a 10?
    We'll see.

    For those of you yet to experience 'Rise of the Demon', I'll try not to spoil any of the 'new stuff', any of the... ahem, 'improvements', but there may be a few spoilers for anyone who hasn't ridden it at all.

    First of all, it's got a... well, it's a... What is it?
    There's a new... thing. To be fair, it's quite a startling new thing. It'll probably only 'get you' the first time, but it's still quite an impressive effect. You'll like it. Honest.

    The preshow remains unchanged. First time round, it was quite intriguing and set the scene nicely. Second time round, knowing in advance how turdy the rest of the ride is, it comes across as a bit pompous and long-winded.
    Ditch the 'peekaboo' crap, Derren, and get on with it.

    We then have to endure that brick holding room bit. I timed it, we were in there for over 4 minutes. No theming, no music, nothing to distract you (except in this case, listen to bunch of gobby young teenagers (who'd obviously been on it several times already that day) discuss loudly how they thought it was all done, thus ruining any potential surprise for anyone else in the queue. Grrr!)
    Anyway, my point is, this needs major attention. It ruins any atmosphere built up by the preshow. The tension evaporates and gives way to frustration. It's just plain bad.
    Then you've got that bit where you wait by the train carriage for the previous riders to get off - another tension ruining moment and another opportunity for the gobby teenagers to look around and point and say annoying things like "Oh look, the train just slides into the next room over there". Little :emoji_zipper_mouth:er. I wanted to throttle him!
    This section too needs attention. It needs to be more efficient, you need to see the splendid Victorian train carriage in some sort of grand reveal with music or lighting or smoke or something, take a few moments to appreciate the detail and then get straight on board. Instead you just walk through a doorway and there's the train, and you just hang around for another 2 or 3 minutes waiting for your turn.

    On to the first VR section, then. I may be wrong about this, but I think it's a bit longer than it was before? Some have argued that it's already too long, and they're right, but I seem to remember that first time round, as soon as the VR started to get creepy (when the girl breaks through the window) we were told to remove the headsets and evacuate the train. This time, the video is allowed to run for longer and it gets really creepy. Either that, or last time we were ordered off the train before the VR had actually finished which, given the state of operations last year, is a distinct possibility.
    It's still too long, but if they shaved a bit off the intro and got to the creepy stuff sooner, this could actually be quite good.

    The live action bit is still a bit of a disaster. It just feels so contrived and false; "Quick, wait here by this escape tunnel, argh, a train, quick, back the way you came, argh, zombies, quick, through this door and get back on the train... argh" etc...
    There seems to be a few more ride staff for this bit than last time, most of them 'in character' - they're clearly trying to manage the scene a bit better but sadly it's still a tad chaotic, comes across as a bit... what's the word? Am dram.

    Now the second VR section is arguably the bit that came in for the most criticism before, and rightly so, it was awful, but thankfully this is the bit that's benefited from the biggest overhaul.
    The previous version was such a passive experience, it wasn't involving, it wasn't immersive, it didn't utilize the VR technology in a creative way. You literally just sat there, (seemingly) on your own, looking straight ahead at a sh*t cartoon. The same effect could have been achieved with a screen on the opposite wall.
    The new version is... different. Not just as in, it plays a different video, not just as in, it's changed from CGI graphics to live action, but... I dunno, it's quite hard to explain without ruining it. Let's just say that you're involved more, as are your fellow passengers. There's a fundamental difference between this and the previous version that makes it, well... it just kind of... almost works.
    I'm gonna say it - I found it genuinely quite unnerving. I can imagine some people getting properly freaked out by this. Indeed, the difference in the post-ride atmosphere between this year and last year is tangible. People seem to be more excitable, more eager to talk about what just happened, pick it apart, compare notes etc, rather than just slinking off going "Well that was a load of sh*t, wasn't it"?

    Don't get me wrong, overall it is still a bit sh*t. It doesn't flow very well, there's still a lot of work to be done to make it work as a coherent, thrilling experience, but with the new VR bits, the additional characters and the extra 'bonus' section, it's no longer the worst attraction ever built. I can see some potential here. If they could somehow streamline the whole thing, address those shortcomings, chop out those bits where the immersion is lost... then yes, possibly, Thorpe Park could have a worthwhile attraction on their hands.
    I would previously have rated the Ghost Train 1 out of 10.
    I rate the Rise of the Demon 5 out of 10. Still not great, but that's a 500% improvement over last time, Thorpe Park deserve some credit for that.

    In conclusion then, it turns out the old saying is true - you can't polish a turd.
    But maybe you can roll it in some glitter.
     
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  12. Mysterious Sue

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    Great review Howie. Still not going to make me rush back to Thorpe though.
     
  13. AirtimeFreak

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    Fun Fact: Started a new job 4 months back and we supplied all of the cable throughout the whole ride.

    Pointless yet interesting
     
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    Wire you telling us?
     
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    Sorry to bump this thread, but I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned that DBGT was changed again for 2018. If you don't want any spoilers, here's how it was changed:
    The train crash scene has been removed in favour of some sort of strobe maze.
    It would seem that Thorpe are still trying to get DBGT exactly right...
     
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  16. Lofty

    Lofty Social Media Team Staff Member Social Media Team

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    I think the fact it's not been mentioned, even though most members will have done it, says a lot about the ride and how much people do not care
     
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    It also sounds like a way to get around employing an actor/actors in that section of the ride.
     
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    I find the idea of Love Island at Thorpe Park far more terrifying.
     
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    It's also partially down to the fact that the train crash sequence had a mind of its own, didn't work half the time and caused multiple shutdowns as a result. And when it didn't work, it was much much more difficult to create anything interesting without chucking in a ton of actors.

    The strobe maze was a cheap 'this will do' installment to solve those problems, but is incredibly boring and makes no sense to what story there is.
     
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    On a random note, I think there are still people out there who really like Derren Brown's Ghost Train. Reviews of it seem much more positive post-2017, and there are some who genuinely think that it is one of the best dark rides in the world. For example, when Taylor from Coaster Studios and Logan from Koaster Kids came to Europe and visited Thorpe, they said that DBGT was their favourite ride there and that it was "one of the most awesome, jacked up ride experiences ever created". I believe they also used the term "world class" somewhere.
     

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