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The Games we play...

Discussion in 'Anything Goes' started by Ormerod, Sep 23, 2007.

  1. spicy

    spicy Well-Known Member

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    So glad this is happening. Red Dead Redemption was one of my all time favourite games ever.

    So what are peoples thoughts on the new Nintendo Switch?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uik5fgIaI

    Combining both a portable gaming device and a home console is genius. The trouble is if they don't get the popular titles that sell huge amounts like CoD and FIFA and rely on their own titles they will never get the sales that they need.

    There is also a huge gap for a portable gaming device after the Vita has slowly died but most people play games on their tablets now. Can the Switch tempt people back to play on a gaming device? I don't think so unfortunately.

    Still will be interesting to see, I believe this could possibly be Nintendo's last home console if it sells like the Wii U.
     
  2. Chris Brown

    Chris Brown Mr CoasterForce 2016 CF Award Winner 2016

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    Think the switch is about 5 years too late imo. Agree with the games and how they will shape the consoles future. I dunno, i think nintendo think there is a bigger market for players wanting to play on the go than there actually is? Games on the go such as candy crush, flappy bird, angry birds and temple run work because they are such simple objectives that dont require much thought and are suitable to play in a car or waiting for a train, anything more complex and people wont play it. Popular video games now have to be complex to engage with their target audiences and have multiple layers to remain relevant. The switch will do both of these but neither as good as their competitors, not as simple as an ipad game but not as layered as a PS4 / PC game. If I was nintendo I'd be pumping money into augmented reality after Pokemon Go showed exactly how to capture the world.
     
  3. GuyWithAStick

    GuyWithAStick Captain Basic Staff Member Moderator Social Media Team

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    In the trailer, it showed some Skyrim gameplay, which hopefully means that it is finally able to handle larger games like that. I'm looking forward to this, but I think I need a bit more info before I can properly judge.
     
  4. furie

    furie SBOPD Staff Member Administrator Moderator CF Award Winner 2016

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    This, pretty much 100%

    I just don't think Nintendo really get it. They've stopped innovating and gone to copying.

    I do like the design. I think it's very smart. I think it's clever. I think it's going to be another £350 I spend just to play a dozen Nintendo games and nothing else.

    This is why nobody bought the Wii U. It was expensive (due to gimmick) just to play Nintendo games. So Nintendo fans bought it.

    The Wii sold well because it introduced something new and interesting for people to socialise with. Suddenly Baby, Teen, Mum, and Grandfather could play a game together. It was new and exciting.

    I've seen these fads before (Simon, Fondue and Karaoke come to mind) and every few years a new family thing hits the big time. Nintendo created a fad - well done.

    Now everyone has a touch screen device of some kind that can play games - and they have been doing for several years now. Even better, those devices also do lots of other stuff (play music, watch films, email, etc.). People are invested into those mobile platforms already (balls deep in an app-store ecosystem).

    Nintendo aren't going to eat into that. There are already tablets that can do gaming (small and broadcast) and come with controllers (2 Android and a Windows) - so they're not even first to the market with the concept. None of those devices have fared well. Hell, look at the trouble Microsoft are having getting into the market and they have their tablets in the same app-store ecosystem as the X-Box.

    Okay, so you can have a replacement for the DS. Who wants to replace a £100 small DS with a £350 console twice the size that can't fold in half? Would you give that to your 7 year old to play Pokemon? No, they have their own £90 disposable tablet they play Pokemon Go on already. They also have a DS which you only bought them when Nintendo finally released a version that was under £150.

    Great, they have Skyrim. A 5 year old game that is due out on (undoubtedly) the superior PS4 and XBONE next week or something - which will hit 60 million potential gamers. Which of those who wants to play Skyrim will be waiting for the inferior version on The Switch?

    So the same as happened with Mass Effect 3 (remember that Wii U special). They'll sell four copies and the third parties will pull out. It's the third party's fault too for rehashing old games rather than supporting with new IPs... Only new IPs don't sell on Nintendo consoles because people only buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games on. ARRRRRGGGHHHH! It drives me nuts :lol:

    Chris is spot on - people don't want complex games on the move (generally). It's what killed the PS Vita, Sony just didn't understand (until too late). It was too much and the games too complex. The DS works because it's easy to use, easy to snap shut and you just carry on when you're at home. This will be a faff. Plus, seriously, how often do people see DS gamers compared to Smartphone users? Who still uses their DS for Streetpass?

    There are (let's say) about 13 million die hard Nintendo fans. We know there are that many because that is how many people own a Wii U. Very few own that as their sole console. Most will have it as a secondary. It's because people have the Nintendo console for Nintendo games. Even then, it was only after they ditched the utterly useless cheap version and heavily discounted the one you could use that they got any traction. Most people simply don't want to spend £350 to play a Zelda remake and a new Mario Kart.

    What Nintendo need to do is to produce a solid console that is affordable enough for people to buy it as an near impulse buy. £150, plus £30 for Mario Kart? Yeah, I can do that for Christmas... "for the kids".

    I may be shocked and The Switch may come in at that price range. If it does, it will make a killing. As soon as it hits PS4/XBONE price ranges, then it needs to have a justification - and another touch screen device in your house isn't it, no matter how many balcony parties or basketball matches you're planning on attending in 2017...
     
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    Ugh.

    Short answer: :emoji_zipper_mouth: sake Nintendo

    Long answer: It's been clear for years Nintendo don't understand anything, but their own continued success and sales blinds them to this fact. Unfortunately, they also own many of the top IPs in gaming. People (myself included) will still have to have it in order to play the new Mario Kart, the new Zelda, the new Pokemon, etc, etc. These, any many others, are all great franchises that are continually improved ever so slightly like the iPhone every year or two. However, the vast majority of users will play the games available on all platforms on their PS4/PC (or Xbox One if they're broken). Since the PS2, Nintendo consoles have been "exclusive only" platforms (like the Xbox One has now become to many). The one thing they do still have is the handheld market, and that's again because they have the best and most addictive IPs that you can pick up and put down at a moment's notice on your 3DS. The Switch is an awkward halfway house that Nintendo will again dub a success because millions will still buy, but even giants like me will have no chance of being able to put the Switch away in our pockets. Did no one read the millions and millions of Club Nintendo game registration forms that said they only bought the WiiU to play exclusive content? Apparently not.

    It's a shame that Nintendo hold so many amazing franchises and are too stubborn to just stop making consoles and rake in the money from selling Mario and Pikachu to the highest bidder for every new game.
     
  6. davidm

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    Picked that up yesterday (and some Move controllers ; that was an expensive lunchtime trip into town :( ).

    Racing was better I thought - but can't explain why - in the game compared to the demo, perhaps just more variety (obviously), the gameplay is very like the orginal Driveclub (again, obviously).

    Move controllers on the roller coaster / pig-zombie demo (Until Dawn:thing) definitely improved gameplay too - just need a really good shooter for it to come out.

    Find I've struggled to play on it for much more than an hour at a time though - not from any motion-sickness, luckily haven't had that - just from the uncomfortable level of the whole headset/masses of wires/sitting in camera view/faff of it all. My neck gives up too with all the looking around combined with the weight of the thing (and its not heavy).

    Still haven't played all the demos / VR Worlds things yet either.

    Good though (if a bit un-ergonomic and expensive)
     
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    Not sure how many on here like the first person shooter games, but Battlefield 1 is :emoji_zipper_mouth: incredible. I was a bit skeptical with it being WWI, but boy was I wrong. The campaign is awesome and the multiplayer is epic and freaking addicting. Highly recommend it if you like FPS games. Please do not buy that BS know as Call of Duty Infinite Warfare over this....
     
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    Anyone play Geometry Dash over here? It's a super fun game.

    Combine 'The Impossible Game', 'Gravity Guy', 'Jetpack Joyride', 'Flappy Bird', 'Wave Wave', £1.99 and you get this game. Anyone play it, or just me?
     
  9. PeskyTrimBrake

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    Frontier finally opened the Planet Coaster Beta. They nailed it and if all goes well, it could be my favorite game this year. Of course its still lacking since its in Beta but Frontier is constantly updating it with new updates and patches. I also appreciate how they made the effort in making the coasters realistic while maintaining their signature style from RCT3.
     
  10. peep

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    ^I've been playing since the second Alpha and while there's still a lot of problems (I hate the path tools) it is an excellent upgrade on RCT3. RCT World btw is rushing its release to the day before Planet Coaster and it pales in comparison, any comment section below a social media post is slating it.

    The think I love most about Planet Coaster is that they're listening to the community and continuously make updates. Their interaction with the community has just been amazing.
     
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    I mean, they did add the optional grid system now which lets you build rectangular paths like RCT3. I agree, Frontier listening to their audience is making them one of my favorite game studios. The camera needs to be fixed though cause when I try to move the camera, I have little to no control.
     
  12. davidm

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    How about the other RE7 demo on the PSVR ; thats just been VR-enabled apparently.
    Absolutely terrifying. Not sure I enjoyed it AT ALL - kept saying to myself "its only a game its only a game" but that didn't help at all, had to turn it off. Brilliant then, but don't think I'll be buying it! :eek:
     
  13. furie

    furie SBOPD Staff Member Administrator Moderator CF Award Winner 2016

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    I didn't know there was another one. Will have to dig it out and hate it too :)

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    A few games that I enjoy playing...

    Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (My all-time FAVORITE Zelda game. Love Midna. Great character.)

    The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Fun fact, the TLA in my name stands for TheLoneArgonian, which is my YouTube username.)

    Planet Coaster (We all know how good it is and how it literally kicked RCT Worlds :emoji_zipper_mouth:. So there should no explanation for it!)

    Kerbal Space Program (One word: Space!)

    Hyrule Warriors (Again, one of my favorite Zelda games, though it's not considered canon. At least Midna's a playable character! ^_^)
     
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    Planet Coaster - Obvious choice
    Parkitect - I really like the art style and the fact that it's a spiritual sucessor to RCT 2
    The Long Dark - There is just something about this game that pulls you in.
    Cities Skylines - Its fun.
    Theme Hospital - Got it for free. Its fun.
     
  16. furie

    furie SBOPD Staff Member Administrator Moderator CF Award Winner 2016

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    Ah. That's actually the one I'd played. It was okay.

    However, Star Wars VR for Battlefront came out today. it's awesome. Far too short, but awesome.

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    ^ Just downloading it all ;)

    EDIT: and just played it too (24hrs later, silly job/life getting in the way)
    I was only sat in an X-Wing, flying around Imperial Star Destroyers in a big dogfight full of TIE fighters I was!
    :) :) :) :)
     
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    furie SBOPD Staff Member Administrator Moderator CF Award Winner 2016

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    How fantastic is it? It's not just the fact it's Star Wars either (though it helps :) ).

    The game just works so well. I've played Eve and the space fight COD thing and neither of them are anywhere near as good. Both feel clumsy to control and make you a bit nauseous. They're just not very good games. Also, the Battlefront space battles suck - they're just "meh".

    Criterion have nailed it with this. The control and action feels "right". As a massive X-Wing and Tie Fighter fan from the 90's, it feels like they did (a little simpler, but the feel is there).

    To be fair though, that's what Criterion do best and always have. They know how to make games control properly - the Burnout series was always superb.

    I read an interview with one of their guys and he said that they had to tweak it, otherwise it made people really sick. He also said that by having the nose-cone on the X-Wing, it reduces the motion sickness. So a Tie Fighter wouldn't work as well. Also hinted at more VR missions in Battlefront 2... I'm watching that space!

    Did you also do the look round the cockpit and flick switches thing? You can change the firing mode (single, double or quad) and drop down the targeting computer. I loved it :)

    I think it really showed off the potential though and I think is my favourite VR experience so far. I loved the fly-by of the capital ships and then the dogfight was superb. Being able to track a fighter with your head and chase it down properly makes such a difference to the game. Doing it and not wanting to vomit was icing on the cake :)
     
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    Got the feeling that it was the fact that it didn't let you barrel-roll that made it not as nauseous as that Eve thing (but only played the demo of Eve once so...) - the COD one was OK though I thought.
    Haven't played around with the switches tho' :( - I did play silly buggers with the VR though and stood up for a while ; theres a strange headless corpse below you then and you can then look behind you to see the R2 unit. Felt the XWing needs wing mirrors really though, stuff sneaking up on you behind is a problem - design fault by the rebellion I think. ;)
    The gameplay was a lot easier than the normal Battlefront space missions too ; which helps, let you enjoy the VR spectacle without just getting killed all the time (well OK perhaps thats just me in the normal Battlefront space missions?).
     
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    I play quite a bit of pinball.
     

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