The trains make them significantly different enough to me. I wouldn't particularly mind if they were included, it's only gonna end with Kärnan on top. Besides that it was my choice for the topic, why can't I set some guidance? No one batted an eyelid at the notion of Intamins suddenly appearing in the Rank the B&M Wing topic in this subforum. Even if they are sold as different, I listed the reasons I included them, the simlarities they share and I had a genuine interest in the comparison. I just don't understand this aversion to comparing with Just another interesting point for discussion really. Is it the beyond vertical drop that makes the Eurofighters worse? Perhaps inherently with the design of the car that can perform that particular manouevre, it makes them ride worse. But then Lynet proves they can ride butter smooth. More often than not it's the rest of the layout that lets them down.