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Possible New Ride/rollercoaster Coming To thorpe Park in 2019

Discussion in 'News & Rumours' started by U.K Thrill Rides, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. chris short

    chris short Member

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    Surely an RMC in place of loggers? I challenge anyone to suggest a better ride to put in that area haha
     
  2. Joey

    Joey Well-Known Member

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    I'd have no issue with this topic if it was along the lines of "what do you think Thorpe new coaster will be and what year?" But it's not. It's a blatant attempt to make a rumour out of nothing.

    They may well get a new ride in 2019 and it may well be on the Loggers site, but can we be a little more transparent about the difference between credible rumours weaving down and just wild shots in the dark?

    Thanks.


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  3. Pokemaniac

    Pokemaniac Mountain monkey Staff Member Administrator Moderator Social Media Team

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    A very specific rumour too, if you look at the thread tags...
     
  4. Joey

    Joey Well-Known Member

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    I suppose for all we know they might have knowledge but not want it to come back to them so are pretending to be ignorant, tbf.


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  5. Ben

    Ben Social Media Team Social Media Team CF Award Winner 2016

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    ^No, they just are ignorant.
     
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    balrog Well-Known Member

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    At least we now have a prime example of how the likes of D. Trump build knowledge.
     
  7. witchfinder

    witchfinder Well-Known Member

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    What's mildly amusing is this thread has 2 pages of replies and the kid that started it hasn't been on the site since they made the original post. Maybe best to just lock this thread and let it die?
     
  8. JoshC.

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    Hate to be that guy who beats on a dead conversation, but...

    The investment cycle for products (ie rides and attraction) really isn't nonsense and Merlin still try and live by it today. If you ever check out their presentations and reports to investors (linky here - https://merlinentertainments.biz/results-and-presentations - they can throw up interesting tidbits!), it is something which is mentioned time and time again. They go on about "planned investment cycles", "pre-determined capex cycles", etc when referring to the theme parks - it's something which is planned well in advance and by no means a coincidence that the parks cycle round on big, medium and small investments each year.

    Things like hotels, infrastructure and such would be separate to the money for 'product investments'. So a 'small' year for a park doesn't necessarily mean they won't see significant investment - for example, this year at Towers is a small year in terms of rides (little CBeebies things), but they've seen a big chunk of investment with the CBeebies Hotel. Similarly with Chessington in 2014 - that would have been a 'medium' investment year for rides (Scorpion Express and Amazu), but they opened up their second hotel and loads of other hotel / infrastructure things.

    If you were to combine the two separate things that are invested in (ie products and non-products), the whole investment cycle thing comes across as nonsense, yes. It's a strange way to look at it, but it is there.


    As for whether a large sum of money equates to one big ride... Merlin have made it no secret that when it comes to marketing pretty much anything (but especially big things), they need to have a 'killer image' and a marketable slogan to describe the thing. That's what brings about all the (sometimes crazy) world first's Merlin claim, and their constant love of IPs, as 99% of the time they grab the public's attention super easily. It fits with pretty much all of Merlin's investments - some examples: Saw (world's first horror movie themed coaster / steepest freefall drop), Th13teen (world's first psychocoaster nonsense), Flug (Germany's first wing coaster), DBGT (Ghost Train for the 21st Century), Galactica (world's first coaster FULLY DEDICATED to VR), etc... And if you look at all those rides, there will always be one big marketing image you see (and would have saw in the build up) time and time again.

    So there's nothing stopping them having a big year where they say invest in 3 or 4 flat rides and merge them into one big area. But that's usually harder to market, in Merlin's way of marketing, than one big ride with a big hit. Not impossible of course; CBeebies Land was a medium sized investment and a huge hit, so something similar to that but with more widespread appeal could go down really well.


    The way it seems to work in terms of high investment at the moment is:
    Gardaland - 2011, 2015, 2019,...
    Thorpe - 2012, 2016, 2020,...
    Chessington - 2013, 2017, 2021,... (Gruffalo was a high investment according to Merlin...)

    Towers was meant to be 2013, 2017, 2021,... but Smiler's crash happened and sort of threw all the plans out the window, hence why SW8 is 2018. Makes more sense, as that then means Chessington and Towers aren't competing with high product investments on the same year.

    The Lego parks follow a similar pattern. Legoland Windsor was meant to be 2015, 2019,... but they didn't get planning permission for Ghost for 2015 so that mucked things over. Though if rumours are to be believed, their next big thing is 2019 so that hasn't really thrown things off track..

    Heide was following the 3 year plan still (2011, 2014, 2017 where all high with Krake, Flug and Ghostbusters). In theory, it should follow Chessington's pattern now and the next big thing would be 2021. But if Colossos is dead for good, that might change..

    tl;dr - For actual rides and attractions, there's a pre-planned investment cycle which Merlin try to stick to as much as they can. But for overall investment in each place as a resort, there's not.
     
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  9. Crazycoaster

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    ^^ Thorpe still have plenty of room for a new coaster that isn't in the loggers leap area, for one thing they've got that entire island that they built and have done nothing with next to Swarm.

    If anyone at Thorpe Park had any kind of competency, their next coaster won't be a dive. For one thing, they already have a "dive" in the form of Saw. For another, anybody whose been to Thorpe has also probably been to Alton, and ridden the original Dive. Building another one in the UK just doesn't make any sense, and it doesn't add anything to Thorpe's lineup. But that being said, this is Merlin, and there doesn't seem to be a competent person making decisions at that company. The UK is screaming for an airtime machine!
     
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    CrashCoaster Formerly ATI CF Award Winner 2016

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    ^^^It wont be for 2019. If it was, construction would have already started. But it had better not be a dive machine. Do you have a source for this information?
     
  11. CSLKennyNI

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    That's not even a convincing attempt at trying to fool people with made up rumours/leaks. Also if you are trying to actually fool people I wouldn't boast about it on the Coaster Bot Discord beforehand. ;)
     
  12. Matt N

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    Damn it! I thought that we had actually discovered something; my sarcasm detector must be broken, as usual...
     
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    But your enthusiasm drive is still running far too fast matey!
     
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  14. CrashCoaster

    CrashCoaster Formerly ATI CF Award Winner 2016

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    Same here! But it was actually a :emoji_zipper_mouth: nut pranking us.
     
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    Matt N Well-Known Member

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    I must admit that @Coasterblogger is a very good comedian, though; they certainly fooled me until @CSLKennyNI debunked the post!
     
  16. rob666

    rob666 Well-Known Member

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    Never trust anyone's first few posts is a pretty good basic rule.
    Remember, don't have Knightmares.
     
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    *Runnymede Council, nice try.

    Edit: oh right it's a confirmed wind up - hopefully you fall down the 20ft tunnel :cool:
     
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    Great banter.
     
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    I don't read any posts where the username has blogger or vlog or whatever in it so I totally missed that post.
    @Howie any chance you can change your username to Howieblogger? ;)
     
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    ^What's this, National-let's-all-gang-up-on-Howie Day? Even ATI's been giving me grief this morning. :(
     
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