Coasterforce's view on Dubstep

[furie]

I can understand the need for sub-genres, there's a clear difference between a house, trance and techno song. Yet all could be labeled under 'dance music'.

Not to me there isn't. Plus, if you asked me what "House" was, then I have a very different concept to you because for me, house is something that I remember from 1988 or so that became enveloped in the Rave scene of the 90's and is probably significantly different to what you class as house because the "genre" has moved on so significantly since then. Okay, so it's a sub-genre of "old-skool house" or something, but it's all just a form of dance.

No to help describe to somebody actually into a genre I can understand why you need more descriptive terms. I do get why it's needed, but anyone who criticises anyone not into a genre for not getting the precise the subgenre correct is a pretentious twat.

It's like with rollercoasters. To describe Nemesis to an enthusiast you only need to say, it's a B&M Invert and they know pretty much what kind of ride to expect. To anyone else, you say "you hang under the track and it goes upside down". They may call them an invert, but chances are "a hanging coaster". Likewise, you couldn't say "Leviathan is a B&M Giga coaster" and expect them to know it's over 300ft tall. Plus, the term is meaningless because each giga coaster is a very different ride experience, in the same way that every hyper-coaster model is very different.

So the point is, the sub-genres shift constantly and so become meaningless* and that to criticise anyone, or be a "know it all" because you're into a genre makes you a pretentious twat

Plus, I didn't realise that NIN had stepping into Dubstep and I quite like their dubstep track, so I possibly need to change my vote



*Like Led Zeppelin when they hit were called "Heavy Metal", yet the term simply does not cover that type of music today because the metal genre moved on so that it's far and away beyond the sound originally made. Led Zeppelin would now be considered 70's rock, folk-rock or bollocks. The world moves on, building on the musical foundations that went before it and so the genres constantly shift and can't keep up - so it's best to keep things simple unless you really need to be specific to somebody who really knows/cares what you're talking about.

 

[Frank]

I think this conveys everything I think about Dubstep much more eloquently than I could ever put it.

 

[kimahri]

Then you get people like Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq and otherw which make no sense what so ever when trying to narrow it down to a specific category.

 

[Smithy]

I can understand the need for sub-genres, there's a clear difference between a house, trance and techno song. Yet all could be labeled under 'dance music'.

Not to me there isn't. Plus, if you asked me what "House" was, then I have a very different concept to you because for me, house is something that I remember from 1988 or so that became enveloped in the Rave scene of the 90's and is probably significantly different to what you class as house because the "genre" has moved on so significantly since then. Okay, so it's a sub-genre of "old-skool house" or something, but it's all just a form of dance.

I fancy you'd be able to distinguish between the three if I put up three clear songs representing each genre though. But yeah, unless there's a somewhat coherant understanding of the main genre being discussed, it does become somewhat pointless. Which is why I wouldn't lecture anybody who incorectly 'catergorised' a song. And this isn't even getting into the whole overlaps between genes.

No to help describe to somebody actually into a genre I can understand why you need more descriptive terms. I do get why it's needed, but anyone who criticises anyone not into a genre for not getting the precise the subgenre correct is a pretentious twat.

Pretty much.

 

[Antinos]

Then you get people like Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq and otherw which make no sense what so ever when trying to narrow it down to a specific category.

Same can be said about many bands and artists though. Some bands, like The Dear Hunter, have no two songs that have the same style. You'll be listening to a prog rock song by them one minute, and the next you'll be listening to a song that sounds like something Zeppelin would have done.

There are also those bands and artists that changed genres throughout the years. Linkin Park's first two albums were pure rap metal and their most recent album is more of a softer pop rock. Nickelback(dare I mention them) used to be a lot more heavy with their first and second albums and they have since sold out. Even Muse is supposedly writing dubstep influenced music.

 

[kimahri]

That's why I said others. Aphex Twin just seems to be the most sporadic with that sort of thing.

 

[Hyde]

Dubstep... More like DUMBSTEP!!!!

HAAAAAA!!!!

Someone pump my fist.



I actually think it can be ok, as long as its done tastefully. Otherwise it literally is a bunch of random bass with no melodic/musical elements what so ever.

 

[Ethan]

I like (some) Knife Party and Skrillex. Generally though, I find dubstep to be boring...